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Doug Etheridge


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Gender: Male
Status: Single
Age: 43
Sign: Aries

City: INDIANAPOLIS
State: Indiana
Country: US
Signup Date: 11/25/2005
Sunday, October 14, 2007 

 I want to talk about something knowing that it won't be understood. Not just that it won't be understood but no additional effort will be able to shed additional light on it. From this starting point I begin to speak, out of need, myself knowing I mean "want".

 Apparently my life journey has brought me to a point of "busy work". Not that I have a lot of menial tasks to do but I am agreeing to participate in something knowing only that everything that I do is meaningless and most assuredly non productive. I would guess a smart guy might be able to define this perspective as a category of belief, or a division of some philosophy. I am forced to accept it as TRUTH if I ever have a chance to know that it IS, and I will.  

 When I say I will, it is with the understanding that I can't, without extraordinary effort and additional desire, knowing that this would make progress, farther away from my goal, that is mostly unknown to me, and this earnest continuation is productive in a way to know that I once again am bound to know that I lack desire.

 How amazing to know that there is one thing we want more than any other. Not the thing we speak in public or even with a loved one but that which is only known by the Creator and maybe by you. What is your thing? Does anything come to mind? I hope that something does come to mind and I hope it is real. It would be nice if I could give you this thing that you desire, knowing that I can't I hope that you can somehow give it to yourself. To know that it is not enough to have the thing you want most is but the beginning, usually of a list.

 At some point we will realize that the giving without expectation was the most desired opportunity. None of us understand that we have yet been able to do such a thing. I hope that you and I soon realize that we want to. I hope that I fully realize that I can't give without expecting to get and desire that I can to the degree that it is bestowed to me.

Silly right?

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River

 
as i understand it, the only way one can truely give to another with no expectation is to not even be aware that we are giving at all. i believe that this thing you talk about, this desire we have to give is not even something we can understand because it simply is not in our nature. we dont begin to comprehend the wonder of love which is unconditional giving to another. futher more we cant attain something that we cant even perceive. so i dont know where the journey will lead us other than down the road of more of the same until...well.. it doesnt!
 
Posted by River on Monday, October 15, 2007 - 4:30 AM
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Doug
Doug Etheridge

 
So are you saying that by giving without being aware we are bestowing? If I followed this line it would seem that the only giving that I can do is by giving by concealment. Not concealment by the receiver but concealment to me. In other words, are you saying that true giving is only indirect, and only known by the recipient?
 
Posted by Doug on Wednesday, October 17, 2007 - 2:44 PM
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River

 
Not at all. How could it be? Your very existence must change, the reason you live and breath now is not the reason you think. Until we become like the Creator we will never be able to give knowingly or unknowingly. How would what you suggest work? How would you give to someone and not know it and at the same time they would receive and have the ability to identify the giver? Im not following you here. What I was saying was that we have not the ability to truely give anything to anyone. Everything we believe we do and give on behalf of the benefit to others, is completly for ouselves. We dont know how to give for someone else. My lst comment was just giving you my understanding of what you were describing as the desire to give to others as a sort of uncondtional love that we all feel at the root of who we are. And Im saying that you cant know that of yourself or anyone else for that matter. Sorry if Im off here. Tell me if Im not connecting with what you are trying to explore. River
 
Posted by River on Thursday, October 18, 2007 - 8:52 PM
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River

 
Did i win a prize or something? Seems like mine was the final post on this topic. Please send any awards to my home address as I am starting a collection. The times i out talked my husband about anything... Thanks....River
 
Posted by River on Wednesday, October 24, 2007 - 6:56 PM
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Doug
Doug Etheridge

 
Of course you win you should be receiving a gutar in the mail any day now.

LAKIM!!!
 
Posted by Doug on Monday, October 29, 2007 - 12:28 PM
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