I know it isn't the popular thing to say, but I HOPE you are right
 

Quite frankly, I'm worried about both candidates more this election year than any other. Neither candidate impresses me at all!
 

While you are entitled to your opinions and predictions, I know that Obama will be the next president, which is good since a McCain-Palin presidency would only be disaster
 

No need to get feisty, I was making a prediction, never even said anything about who I was voting for...although you could probably gather that yourself if ya looked at my top friends.

And just for the record, no one truly knows the future and whether he will or not, so you can't honestly say "you know" he will be the next president, that's just not really true...unless you have a time machine...
 

Yeah, well, I'm right there with ya, Tom. And even if he DOES make it to the White House (which I'm praying fervently that he doesn't) I don't see him lasting for long. As in, someone might actually "take him out". So, wouldn't it just be better if he never gets elected in the first place?
 

Im sorry but that is not a good outlook assuming that someone will attack him or make him leave office. He is not a perfect person but he holds a lot of promise for this country.
 

Yeah, I've heard (read in the news) of 2 supposed attacks on him that have been thwarted...there are some crazies out there, can't change that.
 

While I will not be voting this election (stupid me would have to drive 3 hours to where I'm registered for that), I am a firm Democrat. Having said that, I don't think either candidate is all that impressive, and probably won't be bothered if either man wins. Now if McCain wins and dies midterm, resulting in the country being led by Palin, I'm running for the hills. Sadly with a woman or a black man in office, I'm afraid we might see an assassination because this country has its share of ignorant idiots who can't accept difference. Despite that I don't think Obama should be spared votes because it would save his life, or whatever the previous comment was getting at. Perhaps we should push for the embrace of change if the votes go that way?
 

Yeah, I think both Obama and McCain are tools. I know that sounds mean, but they're just 2 guys in the same system...I do believe McCain has a better interest in the USA then Obama does. Up until the bailout bill, Obama hadn't even voted on anything for something like 18 months I believe...who in the world could not do their job for 18 months and still get paid for it except someone in the senate (government)? Totally ridiculous.

What is funny about what ya said though, is that is Palin was running for president, I'd have no problem voting for her, cause she's an outsider and could potentially do something about all the problems within the government like she did in AK.

Either the major party candidates could have gotten my vote if they would have come out at their convention and done something like this...showed a running ticker in the background (on one of those huge screens they had behind them) of our national debt. Which is now over $10,000,000,000,000 (trillion). Then said something like, when I become president I'll propose a budget that will do this, and the number counting up stops...then within 4 years it will be this, and the number goes down. But alas, that didn't happen. In fact, with both candidates, they're both gonna add more and more to the debt, estimates are between 3.8-5 trillion dollars more in the first 4 years.

That money has to be paid back by someone. We're already paying over 500 billion a year alone in interest. That's crazy. But no one talks about these things, they want free healthcare, corporate welfare, etc. and the dollar continues to drop in value...hmm, I wonder why.

Sorry for the rant :)
 

If Obama doesn't win, get ready for one world/myopic/closed minded view and one religion: And you already know what that is. If you want a theocracy, move to Iran: today. Does America really want someone in the whitehouse that's abandoned logic and reason? Does America really want a believer of Bronze Age myths running this country and to speak for all of us? Haven't you had enough?! How about her: "The vice president works with congress and the Senate" -Uh, no miss Palin, the vice president does no such thing. And to think she may be in charge one day.
 

I am a Democrat, and will be voting for Senator Obama. I did, however, vote for Bush in the last election (reluctantly, but I did) and I have regretted it ever since. I don't want bronze age thinking anymore either. If Senator Obama loses, I'm going to move out of this Country - to some nice tropical island, where "Republican" is a bad word!
 

Tom, you said either of the candidates would have gotten your vote if they would have a ticker showing the national debt and proposed a solution. There is no ticker behind Senator Obama, but if you have been watching the debates (I watched all 3, plus the Biden-Palin debate), and listening to the speeches you will see that Obama has a clear way out of this debt. Increases in education are PROVEN to turn every dollar in to seven dollars out in the long run. The slash and burn of no child left behind is driving us further down the tubes and making our nation poorer in more ways than one, and he will fix that. Look at the education platform of both candidates and you can see that McCain has no clue. Sen. Obama has also pointed out many times that Bush took the Clinton surplus and turned it into an unprecedented budget, with the "maverick" supporting him every crucial step of the way. Preposterous. McCain is also proposing a broad spectrum spending freeze, against all economic expert's advice. Stop spending, people stop buying, money stops circulating, debt goes up. Do a little research please, the GOP ticket is a ticking timebomb for the future of this country.
Furthermore Tom, your prediction, as you say, is probably wrong. Thank goodness. The polls show that people are waking up and smelling the roses that fear should not drive an election. Republicans are jumping away from McCain-Palin like rats from a sinking ship. McCain is not ahead in any calculation but pre-school math.
To those who say that Obama will probably not make it so why bother - you are sick. You should be ashamed of yourselves. Comments like that give tacit approval to people who will act on what you apparently hope will happen, or at least it seems that you approve of such actions.
Grow up and get some perspective.
 

I have probably done more research then all the people that have responded to this combined. Not trying to sound rude or snobby, but politics is just something I'm really into. I'm not voting for McCain or Obama, certainly never ever Obama...the guy has never done anything except talk about himself and how he is hope and change. Anyhow...show me something solid of him with a plan of reducing the national debt. Before ya waste to much time on that, I'll just tell ya now, it doesn't exist. That's why ya won't find it.

And just for the record, the surplus ended because a tiny thing happened called 9/11 if ya remember. I along with almost 1 million people (from what I remember its around that number) lost their jobs within a month of that happening. Unless you're one of the people that blame him for that too, and it was inside job and all that crazy talk...haha.
 

Wow, research - really?
http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/taxes/Factsheet_Tax_Plan_FINAL.pdf
research that. It seems that it DOES exist. Who knew. Oh yeah, I did.
You are obviously looking where you want to look, and not really doing any research. It took me about 20 seconds to find that.
For the record, the surplus ended because of a trumped up war. The facts (if you will indeed research them), it turns out, were known that there were no WMD. The Bush administration went after Iraq instead of Osama. Barack Obama is the only candidate who talks repeatedly about correcting that error. His objection to our surplus destroying war is also well documented. 9/11 was horrible, but did not kill the surplus. George Bush and his cronies, with a rubber stamp congress, did. Here is a link to show how 9/11 could have been less financially devastating. Compare how the Bush administration reacted by looking at their policies, then looking at the Obama plan.
http://usa.mediamonitors.net/content/view/full/1000
What is your basis for thinking that for some reason you follow politics more closely than any of the rest of us? It is certainly not apparent in your dialogue, which is high on hyperbole and short on substance. I agree that you should not vote, at least not until you are a little more informed.
Sorry if this is a little aggressive, but you kind of hit a nerve with your opening statement. Then you went on to talk about hope and change, but didn't mention "maverick". McCain is nothing but a repeat of the last 8 years, so his claims are preposterous. The change Obama will bring is not an escape from politics, but an administration that will be run as smoothly as the campaign. Look at the finances of Obama vs McCain and you will see what I mean. Obama has never been on the ropes and had to sell out to big oil and lobbyists like McCain has. Look it up.
Oh, and by the way, if you want people to take you seriously, it helps to use English as it was meant to be used. I am not trying to sound rude or snobby, but ya instead of you does not fit in a sophisticated dialogue, which is what we need to discuss politics.
 

Like I've stated, I'm not partial to either candidate and am not voting either or, so you can say what ya want, and I'm not gonna care to much one way or the other. I truly dislike Obama though. That first link you sent mentions the word "deficit" 4 times. But there is no solid plan to actually lower the deficit from where it is. This is the most info in that pdf: "Obama’s budget will reduce the deficit relative its current level and
its realistic future trajectory." Sure "you" spent 20 seconds on finding a link, good job, but it has no solid information on what I asked, just more fluff. Here's a good article backing up what I'm saying: http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/asection/la-na-campaignecon2-2008nov02,0,6682525.story

As much as the R's and the D's want to sell their party being so different from the other is not true. There is not much different between the 2 except that McCain has a significant history of past accomplishments to rest on. Obama really has nothing nothing at all to stand on, except his "hope and change" slogan. He got into politics on a shady legal battle because of signatures on a ballot: http://mediamatters.org/items/200808210005

And here's an unbiased article about the budget surplus just a month and a few days before 9/11: http://www.centeronbudget.org/8-22-01bud3.htm
http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/09/10/bloomberg/bxecon.php - after 9/11 article

But post 9/11 things haven't been as bad as all would like to think, I believe tax cuts by Congress and Bush made this possible:
http://mediamatters.org/items/200808210005

Unfortunately, they still kept spending money like it was water.

I understand you don't see eye to eye with me, and I'm fine with that. I'm a constitutional kinda guy, and if Ron Paul was running he'd have my full support (he was/is against the war, as I am as well, along with all the money we spend on our troops overseas). The bottom line is that this country is heading down a very bad road with it's spending, and it's not going to change with the proposed ideas from either McCain or Obama, and thus why I can not vote for them. But saying because I said "ya" instead of "you" makes me unsophisticated, that's funny. Thanks for bringing humor into this :)
 

Sorry, not trying to doge our little back-and-forth, but things are really busy all of a sudden! I'll get back to you as soon as I can. I have to put my pocketbook and wife first! (not in that order)
 

i extremely hope you are right because i have a feeling this will happen too!

*Country First*
 

I was wrong.

Nope, Americans are stupid, they voted in someone who said "change" and "hope" a bunch of times. He has never been change or hope, and probably will never be.

Get ready to see a windfall of tax burdens be placed on the American people, national healthcare being one of them. He also said the first thing he'd do is open the flood gates for abortion rights, something near and dear to me...God save us...