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City: PORTLAND
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Signup Date: 9/30/2004
Sunday, February 01, 2009 
Over the past year or two, we’ve managed to come up with over thirty new songs. This feels nice since whenever I’ve read about the album-recording process of big important bands, they always say something to the effect that “We had about twenty or thirty songs recorded, then we ended up picking the best ones.” That is we may be a big, important band now. Or at least we share one thing in common with them.
Having said this, I am reminded of an experience I had in seventh grade, shortly after I bought Oasis’ “What’s the Story Morning Glory?” The world-wide-web was a relatively new feature of our lives, and I was in the basement, playing video games and browsing the pages Yahoo! brought up. I liked Oasis and their swaggering, bad-boy image, and noticed that I could find more information about them “online.”
So I did. I stumbled upon a lengthy, text-only interview with them, though I can’t recall the interviewer. What I do recall, and will always recall is my reaction to their, er, colorful language. It was sprinkled with more expletives than I’ve ever seen since, save for in HBO’s “Entourage” and in my former work at a drug and alcohol treatment center for adolescents. Being 12 or 13 and having very little exposure to the common speech of people in bands, I assumed that this was simply “par for course,” and that all real rock ‘n’ roll stars must have equally filthy tongues. It was much later, after I’d read many more reviews and interviews in music publications, and after I’d slowly realized the strange uniqueness of Oasis and the brash brothers, that I discovered they were on the heavier side of the f-bomb dropping continuum. For a time I really thought the world was a dark place; as it turns out, it’s just the Gallagher’s vocabularies that are dark places.
Of course I’ll drop an F-bomb from time to time… watch out.
To return to the topic at hand, however, I was mentioning that we’ve got lots of songs written, but have to whittle the list down into some sort of cohesive album. Which brings us to blog-audience participation (I mean, isn’t that what this whole “online community” thing is all about?). What role do you think song order or track-selection plays in making a “good album”? Should an album follow an emotional line that could be graphically represented? On the other hand, is the album dead, like Brett Vail says of the analog film? Has the “digital revolution” guillotined the full-length, sequential musical work?
A friend of mine said recently, “Who the heck wants a stupid album now?” or something to that effect. In other words, who wants packaging and compact discs and art-booklets when they could just store it all in iTunes and look up the lyrics somewhere on the internet? I don’t know. Is this debate already over while I’m just walking into the exhibition hall? Does anybody care? I suppose history will march on regardless of my vague, passive feelings.
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theblackhole

 
People who can only listen to one song in a random shuffle are just plain afraid of commitment. I have my MP3 player and it has a place in my life, but MANY times I want to hear the album as God intended it, or at least the artists-as-gods-of-their-own-music intended. I definitely believe in the landscape of an album being carefully created, but I doubt there's a magic formula for the best track-list ever. Maybe it's just us audiophiles that care. But my bottom line is....... NO! The album is not dead.

 
Posted by theblackhole on Wednesday, February 11, 2009 - 3:13 AM
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climber

 
"Afraid of commitment...." Interesting. You could be right. We're breeding people unable to commit to entertainment that doesn't perpetually stimulate. Interesting.
 
Posted by climber on Wednesday, February 11, 2009 - 3:18 AM
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Stephen
Stephen Hesselman

 
I'm going to preface this by letting you know that I'm probably a little on the unhip end of the spectrum compared to most of your listeners, but please please please... don't give up on the album concept. Just cause you CAN download a song or two that you really like from your this or that artist, and maybe you can arrange only your favorite songs from all over into playlists, doesn't mean the album as a concept has lost it's place. A good album is like a work of art... you can enjoy a piece of it here and there, but the whole thing has the ability to take you on an emotional journey that one or two songs can't. You're painting a movie with songs. Song order, occasional fade ins to other songs on the album, overall theme (don't have to have one, but one notices when it's there)... these things are things I value. And as to having a hard copy, what if there were a nuclear holocaust, and an electromagnetic bomb simultaneously wiped out all our MP3 players and computers? My CD player in my bomb shelter (which also protects me from the f-bomb) will still work, tied to my exercise bike generator... but I've got to have liner notes, to know who played what, and who the "additional musicians" were, who produced, co-produced, and executive produced, who you thanked, and who you specially thanked. And you know, it's important to have something to have signed at a concert, if one were the type that ever got out to concerts that is... it's just a theory at this point, but it seems to add weight to the argument, I think. Also, even if the world doesn't end... some of us work on the computer all day long, and really don't feel like doing it "for fun" at the end of the day to look up song lyrics. All that being said, I've only got your album digitally at this point. But someday, before something bad happens to all our MP3 players, I hope to have a real live CD of it as well. Looking forward to the new album, or group of disjointed songs if you go that route.
:)
 
Posted by Stephen on Wednesday, February 11, 2009 - 3:14 AM
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climber

 
Yes, I love knowing even more about a band. I mean, isn't that, at least in some way, why people go to shows, chat with musicians, blog about things, etc.? We want to go deeper than what we're offered by a radio single or a smattering of random tunes in our virtual libraries of mp3's.
 
Posted by climber on Wednesday, February 11, 2009 - 3:20 AM
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|_~*Kj Ink*~_|

 
Makes me sad too. I'm 27, not that old, but I can't get myself to buy into the digital music revolution. I mean, I live in Bangkok, Thailand now so yeah, occasionally, I'll download something that I just can't find here, but I LOVE the experience of an ALBUM, giving that artist that chance to SHOW us something bigger and deeper in his or her mind. How we and certainly the younger generations are now just PICKING music apart, HAS to be detrimental to our appreciation of the art as a whole and The FULFILLMENT of our souls. How often are the singles the ones that speak to us personally, how often are most popular songs on the album the BEST songs to us?? Maybe QUITE often. BUT THOSE EXCEPTIONS make ALL THE DIFFERENCE! Those exceptions are what set our lives apart and give us some kind of connection to the BIGGER Picture that won't fit on TV or in a radio signal. I worry about the long term affects of this, though they can never be measured. Something must be being lost by this change. And the sad part is, the kids will never know it. And for us to try and show them the difference, would be like trying to show a dog that this dog food is better for it than that dog food. To them one is as good as the other, to us the difference is heartaching. ....Thanks for the thoughts. It's an important topic that should be discussed forever, even if it's just by a few sitting around a fire, like the end of F451. Look forward to picking up the new album, one way or another.

 
Posted by |_~*Kj Ink*~_| on Wednesday, February 11, 2009 - 3:15 AM
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climber

 
I love the Bradbury reference. I also worry about long-term effects. Sometimes I wonder if we really do live in a time fundamentally different than other times throughout history, or if we're just like every group of people who, as part of a larger generation, looks down their noses at the uppity habits of the younger-folk. I just can't figure it out... you know, because I'm not outside of time or history.
 
Posted by climber on Wednesday, February 11, 2009 - 3:22 AM
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|_~*Kj Ink*~_|

 
HEY! Thank you for responding to my comment man, do appreciate that. .. ..I'll be in portland BRIEFLY in a month or two, with any luck you guys might be playing one of those two nights ;). Oh, I should probably also tell you (since you actually read this), I used to work at Dantes, so for like six months I saw this steady stream of music while I was livin in PDX and got exposed to some great local stuff. Your band was easily my FAVORITE Local Band in that city. Your performances were wondrous & envigorating. .. ..I think after your first perfomance I walked over to your swag table and one of your "assistants" saw that I worked there and was nice enough to give me your little 6 track EP for free. I was poor and therefore very thankful. I LOVED IT. But you didn't press my favorite song of yours til I moved here, so I downloaded "Autoplay" from Itunes to show you love and still SPARKLET HAS to be one of the best songs IVE EVER HEARD. Live or recorded. At least in the top 20 all time list for me. You did such a great job capturing it. BUG BEAR may be in the top 30. SO MAD Props to you GUys, really can't wait to hear more. I think you really should break out. .. ..(I don't think you'll mind, but I might post your thoughts on your topic and mine in my blog and add some thoughts to it with my friends back home, thanks)
 
Posted by |_~*Kj Ink*~_| on Thursday, March 05, 2009 - 3:33 AM
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{ . , ? ! }

 
blog-audience participation go!!....i've always been one for song order-- i think flow is a big deal in albums. you want to start and end with a good impression and keep interest through the middle, or something like that.....i think whatever works, works... i wouldn't say it has to be graphically represented as you write. but i do think thought should be put into it.

 
Posted by { . , ? ! } on Wednesday, February 11, 2009 - 3:15 AM
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That Sound

 
Yeah--imagine listening to Sgt. Pepper's in alphabetical order of the tracks instead of the order they put them in. It would feel totally different, and probably not as good.

 
Posted by That Sound on Friday, February 13, 2009 - 4:48 AM
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climber

 
Yes. I just wish we knew how to keep it interesting. Sometimes we have ideas that seem exciting to us, but then we think, "Will anyone really be able to tell if they didn't know ahead of time?"
 
Posted by climber on Wednesday, February 11, 2009 - 3:23 AM
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That Sound

 
I'm actually finding that I at least need cover art for an album, and miss being able to read liner notes. The music library at my new digs is all on computer, and is text-only. I'm finding it harder to remember who is who, or which songs came from a same album because there's no physical disc I can remember holding, or artwork I can remember looking at. It's kind of an extreme example of not having a face to connect to a name. I'm also wanting to get into vinyl collecting, for my own personal listening. So many times I just want to put on a record and listen to it with friends, with no distractions from the computer.
Are you guys thinking of releasing on vinyl?
 
Posted by That Sound on Wednesday, February 11, 2009 - 3:15 AM
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climber

 
We'd love to do vinyl, but I don't know what our "physical release" plans are for the next record yet. Still, at least we made it onto one vinyl thing, the Portland Funbook 2008. I love your point about forgetting artists because you haven't held their CD or seen their artwork. I feel what might be a similar thing whenever I look at music on iTunes: weird, disconnected, unable to care about whatever I'm "previewing."
 
Posted by climber on Wednesday, February 11, 2009 - 3:25 AM
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