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Status: Divorced
Age: 26
Sign: Scorpio

City: LANSING
State: Michigan
Country: US
Signup Date: 9/22/2008

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Wednesday, November 12, 2008 
Ok, so again we feel the message of Why we chose Mt. Hope is
getting lost. Here again is the piece we crafted to explain.
Feel free to forward widely.

What was that noise !?

Bash Back! responds to the backlash

In the past weeks there has been an unprecedented amount
of controversy and reaction to the Bash Back! action at
Mount Hope Church, in Lansing Michigan. Thanks to the
media (who have failed to cover this with any amount of
effort or concern for the truth), as well as incessant
bloging. Many important pieces of information have been
lost, and at times, changed completely. We would like to
set some things…"straight"! In order to provide a full
explanation, we will break this into parts.

• Why Mount Hope Church?
• Why these tactics and what did we hope to
accomplish?
• Dispelling myths.

Why Mount Hope Church?
The first issue we would like to address is the
nationally wide-spread question of, "Why Mount Hope
Church?" (MHC) Good question. The first thing to
realize is we did not just randomly pick a place, nor
did we pick the biggest place. A lot of issues went
into our decision; I will discuss the major ones:
First, MHC's stance on queer identities. In their
recent press release, Dave Williams (or D-Willy as
we affectionately refer to him) states that they simply
see being gay as a sin equal to any other, such as,
lying or stealing. This is a sneaky way of getting off
the hook. You can see for yourself that they take it
much more seriously.
According to one of MHC nearly all forms of sexual
..and specifically homosexuality) are
considered "sexual addiction". Openly lumping homo's
in with such sinners as peeping-Toms, flashers and even
rapists!!! These "addictions" they work to "cure"
through strict "support groups" such as Dunamai
(see web link at bottom).And at times even send men to
live in brainwashing camps such as Pure Life Ministries (see
bottom). They also organize with other ex-gay organizations
such as Love in Action, Homosexuals Anonymous, and L.I.F.E.
Ministries. It is clear that MHC takes an active approach to
repress queer identity and all forms of sexual expression
outsideof the Christian, straight, married and husband
controlled structure. This ruins people's whole lives and
families by making them repress their desires so completely
that they grow to hate themselves and/or act out against or
ignore their spouses and families. This church is nothing
short of a disease in the community, and in the minds of
those who attend.
"D-willy", Pastor of Mount Hope, (and personal enemy
of Bash Back!) stated that he did not "choose to identify
MHC as anti-choice". However, every Halloween the Church
puts on the heavily protested "Hell House", an extremely
offensive and yes RADICAL approach to shock people into
their right wing belief structure. One of the rooms within
this Hell House completely inaccurately depicts a womyn
receiving an abortion. In the act, the doctor uses dirty
tools, and horrible machine sounds play over loud speakers.
With the presence of demons, and her screams of pain, one
leaves feeling like they just witnessed a most violent
atrocity. How is this not actively anti-choice?
Another important reason that MHC was chosen, was the
deep personal tie many organizers have to the church. Some
members of Bash Back! have been members of MHC. Others were
raised in evangelical churches very similar in message and
method. For them, this was a liberating step. A personal
confrontation with those who had made the journey to
adulthood and personal identity a struggle wrought with
self-hate, repression, guilt and loneliness. All of which
eventually evolved into healthy anger, strength, free sexual
expression, and activism. This has helped to build a strong
community within Bash Back! And we support their choice to
confront those that would choose to put them back in that
dark place of self-hate!
From here I could go into all the other reasons MHC
should be confronted. For example, the undeniable fact
that mega-churches are really just big business. Seen by
the way they pressure their "congregation" (or audience)
to buy their books and DVD's and other products. Or the
incredible amount of money grossed by that church in a
year. Another reason is the international church plantings.
MHC has No regard for indigenous culture. There are dozens
of reasons we chose Mount Hope Church.

Related links:

L.I.F.E. Ministries:
http://www.freedomeveryday.org/men/index.php

Pure Life ministries:
http://www.purelifeministries.org/

Dunamai:
http://www.dunamai.org/

related article that mentions MHC's involvement in
ex-gay work
http://www.ecinc.org/RealChanges.htm

"Our culture is permeated with sexual imagery. Magazine
racks offer pictures of girls in teensy bikinis. Primetime
situation comedies almost continually revolve around sexual
storylines involving teenage promiscuity, extra-marital
affairs, homosexuality and worse."

"At times, a pastor or counselor may very well find
himself helping men who frequent adult bookstores,
strip clubs, massage parlors and prostitutes. On
occasion, he may also be compelled to minister to men
involved with peeking in windows, exposing themselves
to women, making obscene telephone calls,
sexually assaulting others, or even having sex
with animals. He will most certainly deal with
promiscuity—among teenagers and adults. More than
likely he will minister to homosexuals—both male and
female."

What did Bash Back! hope to accomplish? Why these shocking
tactics?

There were a few main points and goals of this
action:
• To confront the oppressors that run the church and
show them some of us are unafraid and will resist them.
Calling them out IN FRONT of their congregation was an
important part of that. Showing that we are angry with
their destructive behavior was also an important part
of the message.
• To provide a space for those who had been
mentally tortured by MHC and other places similar to
confront their "demons" and fight back! Their emotional
health was a very real concern of this action.
• To show the youth we are not alone! With an
action of great energy and helpful fliers we wanted to
send a message of acceptance and understanding. We
realize that thinking you might be queer in a church
like that is terrifying. And unbearably lonely. By
tossing out a thousand flyers we provided a way "out".
Or at least planted the seed.
• And to generate visibility to Bash Back!! To
build momentum and give us energy to our movement. I
think we nailed that one.










Heres some press linx feel free to post more in the blog comments. Ill post more later.


Bash Back! official report:
http://bashbacknews.wordpress.com/

Funny news video:
http://nbc25online.com/news/video.aspx?id=220613



Lansing State Journal (cut and paste):

http://www.lansingstatejournal.com/article/20081111/NEWS01/811110355

City Pulse article, liberal sort of bullshit.
http://www.lansingcitypulse.com/lansing/article-2302-gay-anarchist-action-hits-church.html

My favorite! The right wing Account!:
http://www.rightmichigan.com/story/2008/11/10/13335/904


Heres another crappy one from NBC:

http://www.nbc25online.com/news/photos.aspx?id=220613

This one is someone blogging the City pulse article, but its good for the comments:
http://joemygod.blogspot.com/2008/11/gay-anarchists-disrupt-church-service.html


A. Blinkin'

 
I posted a summary of your account, the right-wing account, and the Pulse account on DailyKos. It's nearing 300 comments and has produced quite a bit of infighting. As the poll will show, reception is mixed. For a look: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/11/11/183645/39/581/659454

Feel free to post comments if any of you are Kossacks, I'll read them at least. Due to one of the comments there, I'll probably do a follow-up on why that particular church deserved this treatment, even if others didn't. If you'd like me to include a comment from your organization, feel free to contact me at nlockwoo@emich.edu.
 
Posted by A. Blinkin' on Wednesday, November 12, 2008 - 3:37 AM
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~INKY~

 
My favorite comment left on the Daily Kos link:

Yeah, well, this is the church that, a few years ago, created a "Haunted House" at Halloween full of "horrors". When you went through, WITH your children, their horrors were: A room depicting a young woman about to get an abortion. A pedophile about to get head from a young boy. Two gay men about to have anal sex. A date rape. A terrorist beheading. And, oh yes, a marriage between two men ... performed by Satan himself.

These were just a few of the atrocities they depicted with manequins and actors. It was disgusting and it took a few days before the press finally publicised it enough to force them to give it a rating and warn parents before taking their children in.

Most people thought it was just your run of the mill haunted house, until it was too late. It was disgusting.

Screw them, they deserve to be "terrorized".

Please help SAVE the Crosby Mint Farm!

by second gen on Tue Nov 11, 2008 at 05:17:27 PM PST

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Posted by ~INKY~ on Wednesday, November 12, 2008 - 3:17 PM
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~INKY~

 
I found the links to House of Horrors.... this is disgusting, even though they don't REALLY explain what the images depict fully...you get the idea of all things Purgatory....

http://web.archive.org/web/20041130064016/http://lansinghoh.com/
 
Posted by ~INKY~ on Wednesday, November 12, 2008 - 3:35 PM
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Fr. Fozy Bear
Kenneth White, Jnr.

 
As mentioned in the FR I sent you even though I dont agree with your tactics completely I do support the reasons why. Here are my thoughts via F6 Queer Views Of Life Along Our Three Rivers: http://frfozybearftwin.blogspot.com/2008/11/does-recent-activity-in-michigan-by.html
 
Posted by Fr. Fozy Bear on Thursday, November 13, 2008 - 2:51 PM
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†ravler™®

 
These actions are deplorable. Your total disregard for human life is criminal. Yes I am a Christian so I find that interrupting a Church service is offensive. But I don’t get upset by being offended. I am upset by your criminal actions that put people in harms way. I am upset by the abuse of public resources for the cause of terrorism. You should have NEVER pulled the Fire Alarm. That action was unconscionable and could result in your organization or members facing criminal charges. Sorry but I have no tolerance for lawbreakers no matter who you choose to sleep with.

THE MICHIGAN PENAL CODE (EXCERPT)
Act 328 of 1931


750.240 False alarm of fire.
Sec. 240.
Any person who knowingly and willfully commits 1 or more of the following actions is guilty of a misdemeanor punishable by imprisonment for not more than 1 year and a fine of not more than $1,000.00:
(a) Raise a false alarm of fire at any gathering or in any public place.
(b) Ring any bell or operate any mechanical apparatus, electrical apparatus or combination thereof, for the purpose of creating a false alarm of fire.
(c) Raise a false alarm of fire orally, by telephone or in person.

History: 1931, Act 328, Eff. Sept. 18, 1931 ;-- CL 1948, 750.240 ;-- Am. 1954, Act 15, Eff. Aug. 13, 1954 ;-- Am. 1965, Act 77, Eff. Mar. 31, 1966 ;-- Am. 2002, Act 672, Eff. Mar. 31, 2003

If anyone reads this and feels compelled to see justice please contact the following:

Michigan Department of Attorney General
Lansing Office
G. Mennen Williams Building, 7th Floor
525 W. Ottawa St.
P.O. Box 30212
Lansing, MI 48909
Main Number (517) 373-1110
miag@michigan.gov
 
Posted by †ravler™® on Saturday, November 15, 2008 - 1:49 AM
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SINMANTYX

 
I've been reading more about this since I was NOT there - I certainly am no expert about what happened.
*waves to people who were actually there*

I did find out something interesting though.


The fire alarm was never pulled. At the very least, emergency services were never diverted to the church.


Wow - isn't it great how bloggers just make shit up?
 
Posted by SINMANTYX on Tuesday, December 09, 2008 - 9:05 PM
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SINMANTYX

 
ok - I'm certainly NOT going to go on a diatribe about the war in Iraq or insult you.

However, I would like to understand how you equate the action of Bash Back, however illegal they may have been, to having a disregard for human life.

I have mixed feelings about the actions of Bash Back - and it seems to me that the could have expertly avoided doing anything patently illegal - while still getting their point across and still creating the splash that they did.

However, I have not heard a single account of their actions that amount to having a disregard for human life.

I personally know many young gays who have become seriously depressed and suicidal due to self-hate imposed on them by the Christian establishment. One of the older gay men at my church had a friend who died because he was trying everything, including electro-shock treatment, to become straight.

Christians, blinded by dogma, are unaware of the horrors they inflict on others. They may SAY they love and care for others - but their brand of loving and caring is assimiliation to dogma and psychological abuse.

I am well aware that the vast majority of Christians who support and perpetrate these astosities truly believe that they are engaging in right-actions that have been asked of them by god - however, once a person (such as myself) becomes free of the repitious brainwashing, the oppressive social structure, and the terror of an everlasting hell - it becomes clear as day.

I am very serious when I say this. Mount Hope Church and churchs like it, have been directly responsible for the deaths of human beings.

If you knew what some young people have gone through, if you truly understood, you would not be condemning an action as trivial as throwing a fire-alarm: You would be asking, "Why the restraint?"
 
Posted by SINMANTYX on Monday, December 08, 2008 - 7:14 PM
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~INKY~

 
Wow.... who knew there were so many stalking douche bags? You call Bash Back terrorists? Then what exactly are the Americans in the middle east? Soilders fighting terrorists? I bet if you asked any middle eastern person living there they will tell you we are the terrorists in their country.....so don't throw stones if you live in a glass house.... fucking idiot.
 
Posted by ~INKY~ on Tuesday, November 18, 2008 - 4:23 PM
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