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Gender: Male
Status: Married
Age: 40
Sign: Cancer

City: NEW YORK
State: NEW YORK
Country: US
Signup Date: 12/6/2005
Thursday, June 18, 2009 

Category: Music
I guess this an addendum to my last blog about two tone.


So I got to see the Specials in Leeds this may 24th.  It was definitely a trip.  I was sitting on a corner of the stage watching the band (minus Jerry Dammers).  They came on the stage suddenly.  John Bradbury did the opening drum fill of "Do the Dog" and they were off.  They were launched into it like it was 1979.  They seemed a little bit older but surprising well preserved.  They mostly played the first album and the first half of the 2nd album.  Plus a couple songs off their eps.


I got to say it was impressed.  I had seen some of the half reunions in the 90s and been underwhelmed.   This time they seemed like they had something to prove.
Hearing Terry Hall do "Friday Night Saturday Morning" made me think about being 16 yrs old again.  It made me think about nights driving around San Diego looking for booze and a party in the 1980s.
Their energy was profound.  It was like seeing the dance craze movie unfold in front of you.  All those songs.  "Too Much Too Young."  "It Doesnt Make it allright."  "Concrete Jungle."


Two tone had provided me with most of the anthems of my life when I was 15-17 yrs old. 


I was talking with Ara a couple of weeks afterwards and we were laughing how the different southern california youth cults of the 80s were centered around acting like we were living in London or Leeds or Birmingham or Coventry in the late 1970s/early 1980s.  The adherence to uniforms and the underground fanaticism of it all.   To be into anything "different" in California during the mid-late 80s was to be part of an underground network of mixtapes and samizat fanzines.

The Specials had been my heroes.  Running into Roddy on the stairs backstage.  I suddenly became tongue tied and spouted out some gibberish.  Probably scared the guy.

Lynval and Neville looked so happy on stage.  They had big shit eating grins as they chased each other around in circles.

Seeing the Specials made me think about all the other musicians I had idolized and met over the years.  The Beat, Bad Manners, The Skatalites, Illinois Jacquet, Ray Barretto, Joe Cuba, Glen Adams (the Upsetters), Cornell Campbell, and Fathead Newman.


At the hotel bar after the show, me and Glen tried again to talk to Roddy.  He wisely smiled and nodded but seemed more fixated on his drink than on talking too much.  We were probably heading towards incoherence anyways.

Its funny for me to see the Specials because part of me had written them off a while ago.  In the mid-late 80s, many of the members of the two tone acts had run as far away from two tone as they could.  Terry Hall had said he was 'embarrassed' by Message to you Rudi and said that the Colour Field was much more satisfying for him.  He also wondered whether two tone had made the racial situation in the UK better or worse.

They basically left the ska scene to develop on its own in the states.  It was only after the scene got some legs in the early 90s that bands like the Selecter, International Beat, and Special Beat began to try to do tours to capitalize on the nostalgia.


Maybe its that hurt 17 year old inside me who loved two tone and was surprised and then saddened that many of the creators loved it less than me. 


But y'know sometimes what people say in the press is a distortion of what they feel.  Interviews can be annoying.  I can only imagine how sick Terry Hall was of talking about 2 tone in 1986.  When people ask me about "moon records", something I only had slight involvement with, I want to gag myself.


And I understand how you want to focus on the new music that is much more exciting for you than the song you recorded 10 years ago and dont relate to as much.


I guess my 39 yr old musician self and my 16 yr old devoted 2 tone fan have to reconcile on that one.


I already mentioned in another blog what Roland and Tommy meant to me.  They were mentors in ways I cant even describe.  Everything I thought they could be and more.

 Let me write a little bit more about some other incidents and maybe this will help me figure some stuff out.


Some of my other heroes I got to meet. 


Illinois Jacquet.  I got to shake his hand on the side of the stage at one of the 'midsummer nights swing" series that he was playing with his big band.  I couldnt let go of it.  I told him, "Mr. Jacquet, I love your music" and almost started crying I was so excited to see him in person.  He said, "uh....thank you very much" and one of his handlers quickly separated us and hustled him off.


Ray Barretto.  I checked out a set of his band in a basement bar off of Union Square.  I called out for "soul drummers", his boogaloo classic from the late 60s.  He rolled his eyes.  Hehehe. I guess I didnt really meet him.


I got to see Joe Cuba play in Brooklyn at a small place called 200 5th ave.  He was playing mostly salsa stuff and not too much of the old boogaloo like "bang bang" and "el pito."  He was competing against the Knicks who were in the finals that year.  There were big tv sets and people were cheering everytime the knicks did well and ignoring the band.  Joe was drinking.  "How about those knickerbockers!" he slurred.  After the show, I told him he should play one of the Giant Step sponsored soul jazz shows at SOBS.  That a lot of people liked his music and would come. He looked at me like I was an idiot.  "Yeah right" he said.


I saw Fathead Newman just a couple of years ago at Smoke on the Upper West Side.  He was playing standards like "green dolphin street."  He seemed so mellow and gentle. Very unlike the depiction in the "ray" movies of a down on the heels scuffling drug fiend.


 This douchebag sitting next to me was a friend of the drummer who was doing an especially wanky job backing up Fathead.   The douchebag kept going..."yeah...check out the patterns he's doing on hi hat."  Im thinking to myself, has this motherfucking drummer or his idiot friend ever listened to a single fathead tune?  Do they know why Fathead is distinct from Dexter Gordon or Joe Henderson or any other jazz standards guy.  Fathead has amazing blues feeling.  He played with Ray Charles for fucks sake.  And "clever patterns" tend to undermine that.  He needs solid unpretentious groove first, cleverness second.


But Fathead was really nice. I talked to him for a minute and gave him one of my cds.  He just seemed happy to get some compliments and be on his way.  Happy to be there.


Happy to be there.  That has never been my strong suit.  hehehe.


I got to meet Rashied Ali, coltrane's last drummer, at a jam session in Harlem.  I got to play Afro Blue with him.  His playing was so supportive.  So welcoming.  He made me sound so much better than I am.  His playing was the musical version of a hug.


And dont we all need more hugs?


To come back to the Specials.  I got to meet Jerry Dammers in London.  He was djaying at an after hours that the Slackers were doing an impromtu session at.  It was a secret after show after we had done our main show. 


So we were playing and Jerry Dammers shambled up to the stage.  He sat down at my feet and looked up at me.  Literally, with drool forming on the side of his mouth.


He was like a ska zombie.


At the bar later, I told him,  "hey...I just want to thank you...cause two tone changed my life."  He turned to me and replied,  "do you know where the promoter is?"


So should I think less of my heroes when I find out that they are thinking about their paycheck and the catering?  Shit.  I guess that is what musicians usually think about.  Where's my money and where's my booze.  Where's dinner.  Oh...and do I have a show to do?  shit, I forgot.  No one reminded me.  hehehe.


They probably enjoy the shows too.  I know I do.  Being in the moment is a beautiful thing.  Making music on stage or on record is something that people cant take away from you.  You made your statement, you gotta live with it, and other people, they either like it or they dont. 




Mandy

 
Dave!  I love this.  LOVE it.  It is nice to hear about my favorite musicians meeting their favorites...you know? 

 
Posted by Mandy on Thursday, June 18, 2009 - 2:54 PM
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Hval
Joachim Hval

 
well, people tend to get somewhat blasé when they achieve success. i dunno if you feel that this is the case with some of the people you mention here; but i always felt that you guys (the slackers, Rolf L and crew) are more down to earth. You stay around and chat, have a beer, talk about the show, the music, etc... You are obviously still dedicated to your music, even the older stuff. I've seen you play live 6-7 times now, and you have such a great passion for it all. you seem to be around for more than the check and the bottle.. i guess i wanna thank you for that. It makes travelling europe to see you guys play a great experience every time..
 
Posted by Hval on Thursday, June 18, 2009 - 7:58 PM
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Rhygin

 
Haven't been on myspace in a while, but thanks for some good reads. 

I never really got into any of the 2 tone stuff.  I was mostly put off by all things British early in my life (I must have ignored that Black Sabbath and The Clash were brits).  I hated how it seemed 2 tone was all fashion.   In a way, I sort of felt that about the Sex Pistols.  Fashion.  You have to dress this way to be in.  Fuck that (never mind I was wearing all black and Megadeth shirts...wtf, its about as bad as checkers and suspenders).  When I tell people about you guys I often have to say, "They play ska...no, not the 2 tone specials stuff, the Jamaican style shit."  Then, if they are old, "Do you like the Madness?"   I feel like I then have to work around that prejudice when introducing it to people.  It seems like a ball and chain.

Hero's...

I got to meet Cab Calloway at my 8th grade graduation because his grandchildren went to my school in Delaware.  My friend played Stairway to Heaven and I remember feeling almost out of my body watching him in his zoot suit and tapping his foot.  It still doesn't register as "real".  I hadn't seen any movies he was in so I didn't know how big he was.  But you could tell.  He shook my hand and congratulated me. I went home to my grandfathers and found some records with him on it.

I assume they are not your cup of joe, but I got to go back stage at 15 and meet Pantera.  It was Dime's Birthday and they had a whole pig in the back.  They took the head, put it on a pole and ran around like typical drunk metal dudes.  They offered to smoke me up (my father instincts are going nuts) but I said no, and regretted it ever since.  I started smoking soon after. (I had been to Phish the week before and thought, "Weed is lame. these kids suck so bad!  I hate everyone! ARRRR)

Warped tour has produced some interesting meets.  I met Duane Peters, not a "hero" of mine, but ill never forget him, that is for sure.  Sneaking backstage and meeting Green Day, Bad Religion, Millencolin, ect.  Greg Graffin was such a exceptional meet.  My IQ went up 50 points.

Of course, I'll treasure the time I made you snicker by saying, "I don't know how to play music.  I play guitar."  Such a tough nut to crack hehe. 

On an aside: I just went to Louis Armstrong's house in Corona for my poor mans anniversary.  His neighbor from then still lives next door and is quite a firecracker.  For a small "pops" museum it ain't bad.  When you see MTV Cribs and all that shit, it is nice to see his house being pretty modest (except the Bathrooms!).  Plus, you can escape the Dominican food and get some good Mexican lol!






 
Posted by Rhygin on Friday, July 17, 2009 - 3:07 AM
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david
david hillyard

 
for some reason, my computer is cutting off the last couple words of your post on each line.

why did I snicker at something you said? Im curious now!

Dave
 
Posted by david on Monday, July 20, 2009 - 12:37 PM
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Rhygin

 
I think it was at Sunny's.  I said, "I don't know how to play music.  I play guitar."  I guess it was more of a snort.  Usually my jokes end in groans or punches, so that was a positive result.  I think I then babbled drunkenly....good to know you have done the same.

 
Posted by Rhygin on Monday, July 20, 2009 - 3:05 PM
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The Urban Voodoo Machine

 
I enjoyed reading that!

P-R
 
Posted by The Urban Voodoo Machine on Thursday, August 06, 2009 - 4:06 PM
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Walt
Walt Jabsco

 
Hi Dave,
I've got to hand it to you for an excellent summary of 2-tone and The Specials in particular. It certainly accords with my memories of the time and what I've read since; like you I got the music and fashion but not the 'issues' so much - I was a bit too young and coming from southern England didn't have quite so much to complain about.

I'm kind of surprised that the music travelled so well - the early Madness albums are very English, although less so than Ian Dury and the Blockheads (who they borrowed from heavily), with the rhyming slang and all. But you seem to know your council flats and dole so maybe being a septic tank was no biggie eh?

Also, I had to laugh at your mention of being in Southern California and pretending to be in London or Leeds or wherever - are you bonkers? Do you like rain? I would've swapped with you - could've got laid and had my teeth straightened!! 

I think one needs to bear in mind when looking back that 2-tone was kind of a fad in terms of it's success - little more than a footnote in the scheme of things, sadly. Ghost Town sold a shitpile of copies but The Specials had stamped themselves with a sell by date long before - the clothes, the topical 'issues' ('here's another song dedicated to the Tory government and the shit they're leading us into.....' Yes mate but it didn't stop 'em did it?), the parallels with the mod revival. Add to this the burn-out of doing too much too soon and they were goners, taking The Selector, Bodysnatchers and others with them. (As you say, Madness and The Beat had the nouse to jump ship early and diversify and Bad Manners had the musician- and showmanship to survive... that sax solo IS a fuckin' beauty..).

HOWEVER, The Specials et al did get kids like you and I into ska/reggae/dub/rocksteady and playing instruments (with more success in your case heh heh). They DID present a racially integrated face at a time when the UK had an awful problem with racial tension - riots, fascist marches etc. And they DID create a body of work which stands up pretty well today - a good tune is a good tune.

It's a shame that they felt the need to distance themselves afterwards and maybe feel cynical now but I don't love it any less when I drop the needle on the Dance Craze LP and skank around to Inner London Violence or Ranking Full Stop. And neither should anybody else.

Hmm, I'm ranting a bit there with the capitals and all but hey..... it's a subject worth the occasional use of a Shift key right?

As far as meeting your heroes and the whole nostalgia circuit gig thing is concerned - I'd say if you feel strongly about a person, don't meet 'em or find out too much about 'em - it's not worth the risk! I found this out the hard way by reading books about Joe Strummer.....

Anyway, I'm waffling here....

Cheers mate!
Steve

Loving your work by the way!
 
Posted by Walt on Thursday, September 10, 2009 - 11:06 PM
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david
david hillyard

 
Yeh, its funny how so many kids in the 80s underground in the states were really into Uk bands.

At the same time, Dave Wakeling happily moved to California and never went back!

There's lots of English all over Los Angeles in particular.  They usually have looks like they are getting over and there is no way there are going back! Hehehe.

Grass is always greener on the other side of the fence right?

 
Posted by david on Sunday, September 13, 2009 - 3:30 AM
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Ashley!

 

Razor Blade Alley. Oooh I've been there and Love it! Not a shabby fantasy world to belittle.

 

Man, I was bummed to hear about the LP theft. That is tragic. But what were they doing in the car... think weather damage! I hope I still feel that passion for the disappearance of a tangible music product 20 years from now. With the creation of digital tunes, most idiots don't get music products. A piece of what the artist wanted you to marvel at. A corny photo, an elaborate car, or even a face shot of a hot babe and a 10 page booklet, I wish these things would be appreciated more than the new 'album experience' on itunes, but I digress. I guess what I was getting at is that it makes sense that you'd miss your music, but today, a different type of music theft problem prevails.

 

I didn't know that ska peaked in the early 1980's (it is always playing in Hawaii) nor the tidbit about its roots around 1959/60 (seems out of place as I’ve always considered it the doo-wop era). But no matter what the time period, ska seems to have always made sense, for me anyway. Relaxing. Contemplative. Ahh, deep breath. A constant flow of simple little loops that bring a steady, reliable enjoyment. You know, there's only one way to see if you can resist the movement of two tone. And that is looming in Leeds. Oh, you may fool some, but I’ve seen you close. Real close. And I can tell you really feel music too; your sway gives it all away. I doubt you can suppress even the slightest bounce when that specials music reminds you of where you’ve been and where you are now.

 

Seeing your numero uno band two nights in a row, playing the same songs, still rocks though. (That's why they're your Favorite, right?) And they are out, to be your entertainment for the evening wanting to make that evening work for You. Do you ever play the same place two nights? From what I've seen, seems like you're all over this big wide world! And that's admirable too. You may or may not have lost your faith in Two Tone, but one thing's for sure: I'll never lose faith in the Slackers! (or the Bluegreens/DH&tRS7 for that matter). 

 

Good post and hey no typos. You are a MyspacinMusicblogMachine or something.


 
Posted by Ashley! on Monday, September 28, 2009 - 5:51 AM
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david
david hillyard

 
yeh, we do 2 nights in a row.  we try to change up some songs when we do though.  with the slackers we got a lot of songs that we can play.  so when we do 2 nights we try to get thru a bunch of them.

thanks for the kind words.

 
Posted by david on Wednesday, September 30, 2009 - 2:18 AM
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