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Ivanna S. Pankin


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Gender: Female
Status: Single
Age: 40
Sign: Libra

City: San Diego
State: California
Country: US
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Friday, January 19, 2007 

Category: Sports

I just saw a post on http://groups.yahoo.com/group/roller_girls/ (#17148) asking about the importance of practicing knee falls and mentioning skaters wearing small pads. I had no idea that there were still skaters out there NOT doing falling drills or leagues that don't require decent safety gear. But there are - so hopefully this will convince them otherwise. Knees don't grow back, and they don't heal easily. It just doesn't take much to really, really, fuck up your knees. And even minor injuries are painful and can be costly and require long recovery periods. Its not worth it. And if you're over 5'5" - you should really take this to heart. You tall bitches have the potential for even more problems with your knees than us midgets.

I have been very lucky so far - I haven't had any serious injuries. But I've seen enough to know its just a combination of about 90% dumb luck, and other 10% of the rest is really good, well-fitting top-end "vert" skateboarding pads, perhaps a million knee drops and falling drills, and maybe a tiny bit of skill that's prevented those injuries.

1. GET DECENT KNEE PADS
Do yourself a favor and save your allowance or whatever you have to do, but don't skimp on safety gear, especially not knee pads. If you don't know by now, don't learn the hard way that any fall can end your derby career. And your walking - and dancing - and bike-riding - career.

If I knew THEN, when I started skating, what I know NOW about knee injuries, I would have gotten $100 knee pads on day one. I have heard the arguments against: they're too bulky! They're too expensive! Pfft.

If you think good pads are too bulky, you probably need to bend your knees more when you skate. If you have good skating posture and a good stride, you are far less likely to notice big pads. I'm totally unaware of mine, and I wear the bulkiest I can find. If you don't have good skating posture, low to the ground with bent, flexible knees and a good stride - then you, more than anyone, really need good pads! They will not only protect you when your stiff knees or high stance gets the piss knocked out of you - they will also force you to learn how to bend your knees more, because all the really good vert pads have a bend kind of built into them.

Really good vert skateboarding and derby pads start at about $60 and go up to about $175 (maybe more). If you think that's too expensive, consider the alternative. I had one minor tendon injury in my knee once, early on. I was wearing street skating pads and hanging around talking to someone after practice and just whoomp! my skates went out from under me and somehow I strained a ligament on the outside of one knee. Don't snicker, bitch, it ain't that easy to knock me down, but yeah - I fall on my own all the time. Whatever. Anyway, that minor injury kept me off skates for 2 weeks and hurt like a m-f. I had full primary insurance at the time, so I paid $20 to my doc for a co-pay, then $25 4x a week for therapy. That's $220, if you're counting. And my knee still aches in the same place when its cold out, incidentally.

I don't know for sure that my knee pads could have protected me from that particular jackass fall. But I do know that that kind of injury is extremely common among derby skaters, and that pads CAN help. If there's any chance that spending $100 on pads now can save me the pain, money and recovery time - then its worth it to me. And now that I just have USARS and any real injury is actually a $2500 deductible - its a no-brainer.

Another potential way to guard against ligament injury could be knee gaskets. My sports doc said that he recommended against braces for people that didn't already have injuries - because he thought that it could prevent you from building up the strength you need to ward off injuries on your own. We'll come back to that idea. But in the meantime, knee gaskets for skateboarders (like the TSG gaskets here) have flexible steel inserts on the sides that are like extra support for your ligaments. And if you already have an injury to a knee or need a brace - maybe those could help prevent re-injuring your knees.

2. TRAIN TO PREVENT INJURIES
I'm a trainer for my team, and I'm very, very interested in ways that skaters can build strength and muscle around delicate joints to protect them. We're experimenting with strength training off skates that is specifically engineered for that. If nothing else, exercises on and off skates will build our strength and conditioning in general to make us better players. It certainly can't hurt, and definitely could help.

The most important exercise I think a skater can do to protect her knees is falling drills and knee drops. Both are also incredibly useful to you to become a better player - but equally important is that they teach your body how to fall right. The key is proper form.

Falling drills - first a definition in case you're not already doing them. In practice, its basically having someone blow a whistle every few seconds - everyone falls and comes to a complete stop, then gets up in a sprint to the next whistle. There's lots of variations - switching knees, must get up in 3 seconds, etc - but the basic is: whistle blows, everyone falls. We do them for at least 4 minutes every practice. Our refs love blowing the whistle more rather than less often in an effort to get us to complain (we're working hard on never bitching. Try it - it ain't easy). Critically important to this whole thing is PROPER FORM. Falling drills performed wrong are dangerous and WILL injure you. A good fall is a slide, preferably on pads (skin doesn't take it as well). There is no "thock" noise when your knee touches down if you're sliding.

3. SKATE A LOT
The more you skate, the more control you have over your skates. That can save you some pretty nasty falls, right there.

 

 

 

DazzLynn!

 

i wear these and I love them.  They have terry on the back too, so i wipe my face with them when i sweat.

 

http://www.baysideblades.com.au/inline_skates_dt/skating_protection/wrist_guards/salomon_fsk_gloves.htm


 
Posted by DazzLynn! on Wednesday, April 04, 2007 - 8:56 PM
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Hollicidal (i'm a maniac!)

 
i saw on your website you have pads for about $58. if i wanted even better ones, where should i look?
 
Posted by Hollicidal (i'm a maniac!) on Thursday, January 25, 2007 - 7:44 AM
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Hooah!Girl
Hooah Girl

 

Excellent Post!

Can't tell you how many times I cringe when I hear that "thwop!"

Thnx!

Hooah!


 
Posted by Hooah!Girl on Thursday, January 25, 2007 - 8:25 PM
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Sin City Skates
Ivanna S. Pankin

 

We just got 187 and TSG pads in but they're not on our site yet (hopefully today or tomorrow).   They're not going to be much more expensive (if at all) than the Rectors - but when I said $100, I wasn't talking about OUR price for them.  Most skate shops sell the Fat Boys for more like $90. 

You can order really great pads custom made that cost more than the Rector Fat Boys, 187 or TSG Force II and III.  But you have to direct order them from the guy that makes them... if you're really interested call us and I'll dig up his number - he's a guy in Rhode Island and the pads are about $175 if I remember correctly.  They sound awesome, but... I love my Fat Boys so I'm not in the market yet and so haven't tried them myself to see if its worth it.


 
Posted by Sin City Skates on Monday, January 29, 2007 - 11:08 PM
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Sin City Skates
Ivanna S. Pankin

 

We finally got the TSG pads up on our site: http://www.sincityskates.com/pads.html

Thanks for being patient!


 
Posted by Sin City Skates on Wednesday, February 07, 2007 - 9:42 AM
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Red Hat
Megan Aka Midlife

 

Knee protection is a huge issue for us.  Collectively on the team, we've got 3 torn PCLs, one torn MCL, kneecaps that don't track right, and various other minor knee injuries.  Here's the few bits of wisdom we've picked up in Omaha--

1) Buy the best pads you can (like Fatboys) and just deal with the bulkiness--you'll get used to it and it will save you lots of medical bills.

2) I really liked your comment about strength training!!  The first thing we (the three of us with PCL tears) had to do in PT was build up our hamstring strength.  There are all sorts of exercises that will help built the little areas of your quads & hammys that will really protect your knees when you fall!  Go online, ask the trainer at your gym, whatever--but do it!

3) This is just my personal advice--but if you know you already have "bad" knees (I played soccer for 8 years) pay attention to how your knees react to falling drills and modify!  I tore my MCL (already weak from the soccer career) doing a two knee fall so now I don't do them.  Period.  I do one-knees, full body falls (which change the momentum more quickly away from my knees), and I do a mean baseball slide.  Not training for every type of fall isn't ideal, I know, but bottom line for me was that I'm 40 years old and I really want to skate as long as I can, even if I'm not the best.

4) If you do injure your knee (and are lucky enough to have medical insurance), do yourself a favor and be honest with your doc about what you do (finding an ortho who used to be an athlete will help), and then follow their advice.  Because as far as I know, there's no home for old, arthritic derby girls, so take care of yourselves!!

Midlife Crashes

Omaha Rollergirls

 


 
Posted by Red Hat on Thursday, March 01, 2007 - 12:22 AM
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