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Saturday, December 24, 2005 

Current mood:  curious
what is funk jazz and what does it mean too you????? please let us know
NickyD’Agostino

 
haha, this is like suzuki asking his students what zen is. Everyone knows, but no one can say. And that means its one of the things that means the most.
 
Posted by NickyD’Agostino on Thursday, January 12, 2006 - 6:21 AM
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mr. Krime

 
i think its the music thats starts in the heart, goes to your head and the rest of your body, its the music that combines the 3 most important things ; rhytm, harmony and melody ...hmmm i think so... 
 
Posted by mr. Krime on Monday, February 20, 2006 - 12:57 AM
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Luke Williams

 
Doesn't all music combine these three things?
 
Posted by Luke Williams on Friday, January 19, 2007 - 4:13 AM
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mr. Krime

 
Yeah, good point, surely it does, well maybe not all music but mostly it is this way :-) What i wanted to say is that those 3 basic elements are very well balanced in the genre i see as "funk jazz" or "jazz funk". It's hard to explain what i want to express with my weak english level, but i'd say, listen to some Roy Ayers :-)
 
Posted by mr. Krime on Monday, May 11, 2009 - 9:57 AM
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toro

 
I don't know, but tell you what, most of the time, when somebody tells me they play "Funk Jazz" is neither Funk or Jazz.

 
Posted by toro on Wednesday, March 01, 2006 - 4:19 AM
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Kenny Owens
Kenny Owens

 
 funk jazz is just not like but not completely unlike jazz funk.
 
Posted by Kenny Owens on Tuesday, March 07, 2006 - 1:36 AM
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Bryan

 
funk jazz... like most other types of jazz indescribable..

my best answer: songs that are more about the groove, than anything else, where melodious instruments take more of a rhythmic role, and where drums and bass (esp) take on more of the melody/attention

the afro forms of jazz (cubano/columbian/etc) seem to be more about rhythm, percussive patterns, and instrumentation.
bop, swing, cool - these are all pretty tangible genres.

i guess funk jazz is the closest fusion we have between jazz and rock.
but jazz is jass...

keep ridin' those rides...
 
Posted by Bryan on Tuesday, March 07, 2006 - 1:53 AM
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Down Lo

 

Funk Jazz is Marcus Miller, and everything he  encompasses.  Plain and simple!  I think Poogie might agree with me there.


 
Posted by Down Lo on Tuesday, March 07, 2006 - 3:59 AM
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Kevin
Kevin Hurst

 
Growing up and playing material from Pain, Pleasure, Ecstasy, Skin Tight, and Fire by the Ohio Players, Last Days and Time, Head To The Sky , Open OUR Eyes,by Earth Wind and fire,  and That's The Way Of The World, Live At the Sexmachine, At PJs, Good Times, Music IS The Message, Wild and Peaceful, by Kool and the Gang , Mandrill, New Birth, the tail end of Motown( Loosing You, My girl) James Brown, Sly, a lot of Graham Central Station  etc. coming out of grade school. No Funk bass players can 'walk the chord changes', drummers can not swing and guitar and keyboards (which we did not have) did not know how to comp behind soloists. In funk, pop, rock there is never equality but always a 'star ' of the show. Jazz is about equality and everyone learns the tune not just the bass 'Part' or the guitar  part. I know a lot of Weather Report tunes on bass (and saxes) I learned by ear when they came out but I need to get an upright and limit my technique and learn to walk the bass. What did Jamerson  and Babbitt do? distill their bass parts from chord charts- funk does not teach you how to do that - JAZZ DOES. Herbie used many pure funk players like Wah Wah Watson  and Ray Parker in his music, they will never be jazz players. I watched a Dick Clarke New Years Rockin' EVE, Stanley Clarke, Vince Gill, Eric Clapton, rock, blues and jazz cats could all play the blues. Guess who could not negotiate a 12 bar blues? Teena Marie the 'funk master' most of her stuff is thought out AHEAD of time. I know white bass players who are not funky, do not have an interest in playing pop or rock and they work every weekend because they can WALK THE BASS! Do not fool your self when George Duke says 'everyone can't play funk' but him and Herbie can play 'PURE JAZZ' and you will go further playing jazz if you study and train train your ears than just being funky and not!!!!!

 
Posted by Kevin on Monday, September 21, 2009 - 2:48 AM
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Bryan

 
marcus miller is definitely an astonishing musician. no doubt

i just have a bias against 80's miles davis (although miller and schofield are both incredible musicians IMHO)

i'll always opt for 70's freddie hubbard, and just in general (over miles)
those old CTI records are the epitome (and exasperate) what funk jazz is to me.

listen to red clay, cold turkey!
it may not all be funk, but its older than Marcus Miller
and will be what funk jazz is to me.

great to hear differing opinions though
great convo
keep it goin!
 
Posted by Bryan on Thursday, March 09, 2006 - 1:49 AM
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ROBBO
James Robinson

 

funk-jazz is a lot like jazz-funk...

except it's played backwards.

satanically?


 
Posted by ROBBO on Thursday, March 23, 2006 - 2:44 PM
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toro

 
funk
jazz
funk                                      music
jazz
funk
jazz                           

 
Posted by toro on Thursday, June 15, 2006 - 4:00 AM
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Brian

 

Funk Jazz is what you feel all around you, its what you wake up to, its what you stay up all night listening to. its what is in you, and whats around you. most of all its what you feel when you play music.


 
Posted by Brian on Thursday, July 06, 2006 - 2:13 PM
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Forward Motion

 

Go see Steve Coleman or Dapp Theory oh, that's Jazz Funk.  Okay, go see Bernie Worrell; it's Funk which incorporates elements of Jazz; it's the African experience in America expressed through a constantly evolving culture.


 
Posted by Forward Motion on Wednesday, July 19, 2006 - 8:47 PM
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13 dolls

 

Funk Jazz is a mixture with the best of the funky music and the best of the jazz music. The result are song like "Dinner mit Joe" like  "Amos Ignored" of Dennis Chambers, like "Get in on" of Brian culbertson, like "the Urban turban" of  Victor Wooten...

It´s freedom without anarchy, it´s movement with quality.

Long life for Funk Jazz

 


 
Posted by 13 dolls on Monday, August 14, 2006 - 12:44 PM
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Mike Yinger

 

Funk jazz is like pizza and beer.  Separate, they're both great.  Together, they're even better, because they complement each other, and the whole becomes greater than the sum of its parts.

Funk jazz is evolution.  Adaptation.  Survival. 

Funk jazz is the F. in F. Lee Bailey's name.

   


 
Posted by Mike Yinger on Thursday, August 31, 2006 - 8:22 PM
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Sol Lantern

 

It means new beginning....Fresh, free and cool. Funk....somethin felt or smelt good, sounded to deep to concern, the meaning of soul unearthed. Jazz.....Too much talk, in free flow sparked, by a collaboration with musicians knowing themselves and giving the instrument the play respectively a voice, mind, heart and goal.  Funk Jazz, is a spectrum, between Acid Jazz and Soul & R&B. I think, its almost fully personified by Herbie Hancock, Marcus Miller, Jaco Pastorius, and the Poogie Bell Band?

..

 


 
Posted by Sol Lantern on Wednesday, October 18, 2006 - 5:56 PM
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John Montagna

 

it doesn't matter...ALL music is the blues, anyway.  all of it. 

be well

JM


 
Posted by John Montagna on Monday, October 23, 2006 - 5:37 PM
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The New Jazz Ministry

 
Funk-Jazz  is/was another way for jazz to continue existing. You have to remember, Jazz is like is the eternal chameleon it has to blend into the enviroment in order to survive. Jazz/Fusion, Jazz/Rock, Disco/Jazz,etc. it doesn't matter. It's al about the grove, it's all about the art.
 
Posted by The New Jazz Ministry on Thursday, October 26, 2006 - 2:01 AM
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JOHN BAKER

 
Its definately not smooth jazz or punk funk. Funk jazz literally for me is Herbie Hancock's Headhunters Album. Is funk jazz different form jazz funk?
 
Posted by JOHN BAKER on Thursday, November 30, 2006 - 8:08 AM
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Coban

 
I think for that it will be nice to know what is jazz!!!

But basically, I think the jazz funk is a fusion between harmony of jazz, melody and rythms of Funk!!!
It's the groove!!!
 
Posted by Coban on Wednesday, January 31, 2007 - 1:36 PM
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Constantin

 
When I'm talking about funk jazz (which I usually do when people ask me which music I like the most), I'm talking about music that features more traditional jazz instruments as well as electric bass, Moog, and such, jazz influences in terms of modal harmonies as well as of improvisational aspects, and a straight-to-the-bone funk groove.
I have noticed that for me the most decisive elements are a Millerish bass line and a dry-sounding and energetic beat.

I've just recently found one of the best examples on this site: Poogie's Funky Helmet. That's Funk Jazz.

 
Posted by Constantin on Thursday, February 01, 2007 - 11:44 AM
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Paul Edward Hunt Jr.

 

Well for me funk jazz comes in a bunch of different flavors..... You have the old school stuff where jazz musicians started using funk rhythms borrowed from James Brown and Sly Stone.  Miles Davis was probably the largest catalyst for that style but they called it fusion.  You could go back a little further and check out what they called Soul Jazz which they now consider to be the foundation for Acid Jazz.  This was done by jazz artists who were feeling the funk... Folks like Grant Green, Lou Donaldson, Lonnie Smith, et. al.  George Benson came out of this school also.  Bottom line is it was all funky but they categorized it as Soul Jazz !!!  Many of the musicans carrying the torch from this style in the 70's went on to add vocals to their music.  Just listen to Donald Byrd & the Blackbyrds, Roy Ayers, early Kool & The Gang, Earth, Wind & Fire, George Duke, etc..  These bruthas were jazz trained but took it and made it commercially funky.  Some musicians stayed on the instrumental tip and created jazz music that had funk elements.  Musicans like Herbie Hancock (Headhunters), Ramsey Lewis, Freddie Hubbard, Stanley Turrentine, etc. carried this torch.  The music had more of an improvisational base over a funk groove without vocals.  After this period, funk jazz kinda went into an incubation stage and birthed who I consider to be the father of funk jazz - the one and only saxophonists Grover Washington Jr..  Grover brought back the element of instrumental funky jazz and took out all of the 70's beautiful R&B based vocal stylings.  There were so many saxophonists that either wanted to go the straight ahead way route of John Coltrane or wanted to incorporate the funk jazz stylings of Grover Washington.  Without Grover you wouldn't have had many of funk jazz saxophonists that carried on the torch such as Najee, George Howard, Art Porter, Gerald Albright, Marion Meadows, Boney James, etc..  Now after the "Grover's Childeren Era" the powers that be decided to take all the funk out again and make it smooth.... lol    Go figure !!!!   So to finally answer your question --- I think funk jazz is just one evolution of the "JAZZ" spectrum.  Many of today's younger jazz players are also versed in many different musical forms - Reggae, Funk, R&B, Hip Hop, etc..  Marcus Miller is in many ways combining many different elements in his music.  It's the continuum !!!!!!           


 
Posted by Paul Edward Hunt Jr. on Saturday, February 03, 2007 - 6:29 PM
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SENA

 
In my humble opinion:
Music has a history and every new form slips out of another, earlier form. See the context. Study the ones who started the new "trends" or waves ...
Jazz is a very sophisticated and deep knowledge of music. Jazz has its roots in the classical music.
Everything is Jazz and -
not everybody can play Jazz, or sing it so that it is lively and true. All music takes years of practice and then -you have to be kissed by God to forget all the technique and BE JAZZ.
There is a reason why some musicians are students and some are masters....
Funk for me is to play with all these forms in a special way, simplify them and break them open to a new dimension.
Funk started in the 70ies, it is a mindset, it is a pulse that goes together with a consciousness and a soulful feeling - some of us have, it naturally and some never dig it. Funk is a life style...a freedom inside, and - a humour.
Funk Jazz is a fusion, a highly skilled form of music not everybody can dig. It comes from the soul.
Jazz can be funky and Funk can be jazzy - Poogie has it both :-)
 
Posted by SENA on Sunday, February 11, 2007 - 4:32 PM
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The Upshot Trio

 

Funky Jazz, you say....the only music worth calling music


 
Posted by The Upshot Trio on Wednesday, February 14, 2007 - 1:32 PM
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Josh
Josh Stupi

 
In my opinion, a very goo definition of Jazz Funk is either "Run for cover" from D.S and M.M. or especially Grover Washington's song and CD "Mr Magic"
 
Posted by Josh on Saturday, March 31, 2007 - 5:31 AM
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k-dub, keeper o da funk
keith white

 
all i know is, i found da funk in a mayo jar on funk & wagnell's front porch!!!!  it was hermetically sealed. i dint wanna open it till i got home sos i could play some jazz and den openiit.  when i didat, there wuz a cacophonous yet euphonous sound dat filled the room & my butt start shakin'.   think i'll keep it!!!
 
Posted by k-dub, keeper o da funk on Sunday, April 08, 2007 - 5:00 PM
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Qaadir "Q" Jamison, Pro Drummer

 
Sade,The Poogie Bell Band, Incognito, Urban Knights cooked in James Brown Sauce with a touch of Neo Soul. Qaadir Jamison, Pro Drummer
 
Posted by Qaadir "Q" Jamison, Pro Drummer on Monday, April 09, 2007 - 12:55 AM
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FunkWino
Mike Wartell

 

Names, Labels, definitions, types, who, what, when,... its far simpler for me...

Funk is life!


 
Posted by FunkWino on Monday, April 16, 2007 - 4:15 AM
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Madysy
Mary G.

 
<span style="font-family: times new roman,times,serif;">Funk jazz is jazz to on which you can't stand still.
You just want to move and dance because it's sexy & groovy
I luv funk jazz a lot
</span>
 
Posted by Madysy on Friday, May 04, 2007 - 12:14 PM
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HERVé de BORDEAUX

 
I loved long time ago listening to George Dukes's band, Miles's electric bands, Herbie's numerous experiences, all bands playing syncopated beats and a choice of modes and extrapolations...
But Jazz means musiciens can "jacass" a little bit more, i presume ?
I ask myself if i might make my understanding a few deeper about what's exactly the "funk" meaning...
Thanks to give us some positive reflexion about music and purposes.
Warm regards

 
Posted by HERVé de BORDEAUX on Thursday, August 23, 2007 - 7:57 PM
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Music Education by Chris Milillo

 
Funk jazz is music that derives its rhythmic foundation from funk, while incorporating the deeper harmonic vocabulary and improvisational nature of jazz; simply put, jazz chords, melodies, and solos played over funk grooves. And if there ain't no Rhodes happnin', it ain't funk/jazz!
 
Posted by Music Education by Chris Milillo on Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - 5:05 PM
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Flow

 
Funk Jazz... Kinda hard to describe, just like Groove : Everybody knows what it is, but nobody can tell you about it. I think that when you're a Hip hop musician, and you've got Jazz influences, the music you'll play will be touched by this influence.
When you love both Funk and Jazz, the ..style.. of music you'll play will be influenced by those two kinda music.



Plus let's not forget, that Jazz influenced a lot of genres...


And I believe that this is the same for other genres. And that's what music is all about, being part of all those different background, then reaching out to other genres, and this defines who we are as musicians.




~Flow
 
Posted by Flow on Friday, June 27, 2008 - 2:18 PM
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Bouncin' Ball

 
it is... dry... and sharp, but hot, but not too liquid, but also not too spicy, but it does have a spice to it. but it is not synthetic. no, it is not sympathetic. no, it does not stand on your toes, and you can never be sure whether it is going to nudge you out of the way. sometimes, the wrapper slips off easy, but sometimes, if its hot, it might go all sticky. its dry like clean dust, and its not as clear as a window, or a crystal, because its dryer, it is dustier. it should have a hotness like a good day, and it should never evoke the rain. but there should be a sense that it could if it tried...
 
Posted by Bouncin' Ball on Sunday, August 31, 2008 - 2:48 PM
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Coltrane Miles

 
Funk Jazz can make anyday a good one. Listening to you (The Poogie Bell Band) and the great Marcus Miller have been an inspiration to many. It has power, drive and the x-factor that jazz doesn't always have, and the smooth, delicate touch and conversation between the voices of the ensemble that funk doesn't put on the table.


To me, music is my life. Jazz has always been there for me. I have played the drum kit, vibraphone (was inspired by the late and great Lyonel Hampton, I attended Lyonel Hampton's school of music up in the University of Idaho), Trumpet and bass trombone in local jazz scene. Music is a living thing and it needs to reinvent itself every now and then. Funk Jazz can help more of the young people out there understand that jazz is more than for the old guy that lives down the street, playing the same Dave Brubeck album since it first came out. The classics like Charlie "Bird" Parker, Miles Davis, Louis Armstrong, John Coltrane, Benny Goodman, Glen Miller, the list just goes on and on, they have inspired what music is today. For that reason we owe them our respect for what they have for us.


That is what Funk Jazz means to me.

 
Posted by Coltrane Miles on Sunday, September 28, 2008 - 6:09 AM
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j'son

 
I can only speak for my self but to me funk jazz is a simi raw simi sophisticated coctail kinda like in life when your lil child tells you they love you or calls you daddy for the first time that feeling you got in your stomach thats what it is to me it is love unadulterated love .
it is also how i pay the bills lol

j'son
 
Posted by j'son on Friday, December 05, 2008 - 10:48 PM
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J

 
Funk - jazz hummm. There are so many favors of both styles. When it comes down to it, it's all about the groove and staying in da pocket. Tempo has to be right also.

 
Posted by J on Saturday, January 31, 2009 - 1:35 PM
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Crazykiwi

 
It means nothing to me. Styles of music are becoming ever increasingly esoteric and often are based just on the performance of one band for one period of time in their development (assuming they do develop, that is).


I see it as just hair splitting. Whats important is the reaction in the audience. Whether its jazz funk, funk jazz, fazz junk or whatever is irrelevant in comparison to the importance of reaching out.

 
 
Posted by Crazykiwi on Sunday, April 26, 2009 - 11:42 PM
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Young, willing, and able

 
Language of the gods?
 
Posted by Young, willing, and able on Tuesday, September 15, 2009 - 7:21 AM
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Kevin
Kevin Hurst

 
The music I could play when I could not play JAZZ! When my friends were 'jazz snobs' they would bring me to play the Ronnie Laws and Grover and not pay me because I did not know how to play the blues and 'pure jazz tunes'. So I did not make any money playing funk because of the high overhead( equipment etc.) and got paid to replace a bass player in a lounge jazz group. When I played funky jazz the babes wanted to dance to ' Brick House, Slave, and Phaze-O so I did not make any money when I played just like Kenny G in the 70s. I never made a dime until I learned blues , Standards and Straight -Ahead jazz. My best friends played trumpet and never got into jazz a la Red Clay etc. today there are  no black trumpet players in my town! There are some white ones who play jazz and they sit in with 70s funk players and say this music is not easy! What instrument did Miles, Satchmo, Quincy play - the longest lineage in black culture is the jazz trumpet before electricity got into it. I learned Crusaders tunes , Winelight whole album and never got paid to play that stuff on a local level, jazz players do 10 times as many gigs because they play 10 times the styles as so-called jazz-funk players. What is jazz funk? Funk guys who can't play jazz? A lot of jazz cats are not funky , did Elvin Jones have to play funk? Dexter Gordon? Grover listened to Trane, Sonny, Rahsaan and Louis Jordan who played like Grover and sang like Freddie Jackson in the 40s but did he further music? NO Charlie Barnett, a white RnB saxman had a hit in the 40s with a standard named 'Cherokee'- Kenny G is nothing new. Bird reworked Cherokee into Koko and advanced the music. Sly Dunbar does some great things in Reggae, fusion drummers abound but do not fool yourself on who furthers jazz. They can further pop or funk etc. but did Sting further jazz using Branford, Daryl Jones and Omar Hakim? I do not think so! He may have furthered POP-

 
Posted by Kevin on Monday, September 21, 2009 - 3:10 AM
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Vernon D German

 
funk jazz is what my late father use to tell me when i was listening and learning all the RTF tracks i could get my hands on...
then he would start singing the melody to "shak rattle and roll" and show the dance they did and he said "son if i can't pat my feet to it you ain't sayin nothin"!!!

 
Posted by Vernon D German on Friday, October 23, 2009 - 1:33 PM
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Vernon D German

 
oh....
and don't forget all you backpackers if you REALLY are listening to J dilla's tracks try and figure out where he really got those samples from!!
peace
Vernon D

 
Posted by Vernon D German on Friday, October 23, 2009 - 1:39 PM
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Miki
Miki M

 
Funk music in my opinion is something that occurs naturally in the human body and mind and it sounds like well FUNK as we know it in various forms and flavors, then when you add some Jazz to it, it adds more spice and works wonders and opens up perhaps a 4th dimension to Funk:) at least in my opinion:)
Miki from Melbourne Australia

 
Posted by Miki on Tuesday, December 22, 2009 - 1:45 PM
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