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	Pedro - CultVault Writer Pedro M. Rosario Barbosa	I don't like Nietzsche, but I do agree with you about stupid people and about their biased assumptions.   Posted by Pedro - CultVault Writer on March 15, 2008 - Saturday - 11:02 PM [Reply to this]

	Jessica Mara	Stupid assumptions are one thing...but when they have the power to effect major public welfare, it is quite a scary thing.   Posted by Jessica Mara on March 16, 2008 - Sunday - 7:11 PM [Reply to this]

	Bryce Bryce Hutchens	HAHAHA!!! The problem with that is that the majority of the public are quite frankly, stupid. Intelligence is by FAR the greatest minority in this country.   Posted by Bryce on March 16, 2008 - Sunday - 7:27 PM [Reply to this]

	Jessica Mara	And it's even a smaller minority on the right!   Posted by Jessica Mara on March 16, 2008 - Sunday - 7:29 PM [Reply to this]

	Bryce Bryce Hutchens	Yes, the minority of the country's minority of intelligence is on the right. That leaves the left with the majority in this case. It's well documented by the lack of care for the Constitution.   Posted by Bryce on March 16, 2008 - Sunday - 7:37 PM [Reply to this]

	Jessica Mara	see, your calculations just proved my point! =)   Posted by Jessica Mara on March 16, 2008 - Sunday - 7:47 PM [Reply to this]

	Michelle	*snicker* How many times do you think he has re-read his statement to figure out what you meant? Nice one.   Posted by Michelle on March 17, 2008 - Monday - 10:29 PM [Reply to this]

	Jessica Mara	I was mostly joking with Bryce...mostly. =)   Posted by Jessica Mara on March 18, 2008 - Tuesday - 12:51 AM [Reply to this]

	Jessica Mara	Nietzsche rocks!   Posted by Jessica Mara on March 16, 2008 - Sunday - 7:12 PM [Reply to this]

	Jessica Mara	:)   Posted by Jessica Mara on March 18, 2008 - Tuesday - 12:51 AM [Reply to this]

	Easy Rog ;)	What concerns me is that the media will display things out of context. That there is a part of the population that has no clue about two sides to a story and believes what they hear without investigation. It seems to be all about agendas and not about information. The news organizations are trivializing themselves to intelligent people. Talk radio is a little different and an agenda is expected. Still when my intelligence gets insulted I stop listening in a hurry. Church and state should be separated at least in this country. Again it is an us against them thing which can't end well. Oh well enough. Good post to bring this stuff up. Don't let it pass by. Rog :)   Posted by Easy Rog ;) on March 16, 2008 - Sunday - 12:27 AM [Reply to this]

	Jessica Mara	Well the media for the most part must display things out of context, because the American public is “too busy” to listen to the full story. There are agendas behind everything…and as long as people fail to use sufficient reasoning and pay homage to fallacies the majority will continue to fester in their own ignorance.   Posted by Jessica Mara on March 16, 2008 - Sunday - 7:16 PM [Reply to this]

	is the bestest and only mommy for E	I totally agree!!!   Posted by is the bestest and only mommy for E on March 16, 2008 - Sunday - 1:02 AM [Reply to this]

	Jessica Mara	=)   Posted by Jessica Mara on March 16, 2008 - Sunday - 7:16 PM [Reply to this]

	Bob the Buddha Absconditus Bob Hoeppner	It was interesting how conservatives justified the focus on Obama's church because of the scrutiny Romney got for being Mormon. And, admittedly, a pastor saying "God Damn America" is somewhat over the top. One point that was made is that Obama brings his children to this church where such things as "God damn America" are being said. It's one thing to disagree, it's another to subject one's children to it. Well, once you get into religion you get into weirdness.   Posted by Bob the Buddha Absconditus on March 16, 2008 - Sunday - 1:28 AM [Reply to this]

	Lady Oak Teresa Schoellkopf	I do agree with you on your point of children having been subjected to discussion involving politcal opinions inside a church house - preacher or not. It was no time or place for that. As for all else, I've never been one to get tangled up in details about situations for debate. I tend to sit back and watch things and get a feel from the big picture. I was raised with the philosophy that you should never listen to what a man says - watch what he does. In this day and age, I choose to replace the word "man" with "they". Sexual equality has made its strides deserving enough, despite anyone's opinions of how the scales may continue tipping. Anyway - What I see more than anything - situations like this come out in the media to drive our attention in one direction, while groundwork begins elsewhere by others - nine times out of ten, for interests having nothing to do with what's good or positive for American citizens. In this instance - everyone is pulling feathers out of their fannies over this preacher and his connection to Barack Obama. Has anyone noticed - there has been a little bit of negative media coverage to the 5 year anniversary of the war in Iraq. In perfect timing - McCain heads over to Iraq (for the 8th time). Within hours, he is followed by Cheney. And it's all supposed to be such a surprise - both made secret surprise appearances?? It's nothing but groundwork for damage control. And we have one presidential candidate in the middle of that. Wonderful as he may be - and I, for one, adore him and admire him for the service he gave to our country. However - I have SEEN actions proving only one thing. By the time any individual reaches the point of promising objective for the role of our country's leader - they have become a whore for somebody - but not this country's body. At the end of the day, I think we've reached a point in this country where we all need to wake up and realize something. No matter who becomes president of our country - we are all, very much, on our own.   Posted by Lady Oak on March 17, 2008 - Monday - 7:29 PM [Reply to this]

	Jessica Mara	I don’t believe that politics have a place in any church…and Religion sure as hell doesn’t belong in political agendas (except for the freedom to practice believe in any religion).   Posted by Jessica Mara on March 18, 2008 - Tuesday - 12:55 AM [Reply to this]

	Jessica Mara	“It was interesting how conservatives justified the focus on Obama's church because of the scrutiny Romney got for being Mormon.” I know, there is such flawed logic here…that is like saying “I’m justified in killing because some guy killed someone last week!” “Well, once you get into religion you get into weirdness.” Couldn’t agree with you more…that tends to happen when you are ordered to “just accept stuff” or the bad ass hillbilly in the sky will strike you down.   Posted by Jessica Mara on March 16, 2008 - Sunday - 7:23 PM [Reply to this]

	Bryce Bryce Hutchens	While I do agree with you to a point, I will say that the vast majority of the GOP could've given less than a shit about Romney being a Mormon. The vast majority of the conservative party aren't the right wing, bible thumping idiots that get all the free press that make actual conservatives clench their ass cheeks. I will fully admit that I use the phrase "tree huggin' hippies" a great deal when describing liberals, but I am far away from thinking the majority of liberals are that way.   Posted by Bryce on March 16, 2008 - Sunday - 6:30 PM [Reply to this]

	Jessica Mara	Yet at the same time, with out the very large number of Evangelical Christians voting there wouldn’t be that many Republicans in office. You know you love their vote!   Posted by Jessica Mara on March 16, 2008 - Sunday - 7:23 PM [Reply to this]

	Bryce Bryce Hutchens	They are actually not that much of a proportionate number. But...uh, yes I love their vote. I just can't stand their legislative wants.   Posted by Bryce on March 16, 2008 - Sunday - 7:25 PM [Reply to this]

	Jessica Mara	You so need to watch the documentary "Friends of God" you will be shaking in fear after seeing what goes on in those MEGA-churches!   Posted by Jessica Mara on March 16, 2008 - Sunday - 7:28 PM [Reply to this]

	Bryce Bryce Hutchens	Those things I wish would just simply burn to the ground with all patron's inside? That'd be a friendly God to me.   Posted by Bryce on March 16, 2008 - Sunday - 7:38 PM [Reply to this]

	Jessica Mara	If that happened the Republican party would be gone too!!! YAY!   Posted by Jessica Mara on March 16, 2008 - Sunday - 7:44 PM [Reply to this]

	Bryce Bryce Hutchens	No...the idiots of the republican party would be gone.   Posted by Bryce on March 16, 2008 - Sunday - 7:47 PM [Reply to this]

	Jessica Mara	Exactly without idots there would be no party!   Posted by Jessica Mara on March 16, 2008 - Sunday - 7:50 PM [Reply to this]

	Jessica Mara	ok... a party of very few. Without the flock, they have no power.   Posted by Jessica Mara on March 16, 2008 - Sunday - 7:56 PM

	†@\/@r3$ Tavares Bussey	The crzy thing about this...the media is banking on the stupid people as they publically confide in to keep this political bed-play all exotic and hot... they need to really stop....nothing about politics should be steamy and glamorized... I thought that this had already climaxed and somebody's gotten out of bed to really start this campaign...(GO OBAMA!!!) BUT I see there is a third-party called the media that insist on getting in and dragging obama back in with them... sorry for the analogy but it's the best way i could think of it...lol let's keep it about the facts... thanks for sharing!   Posted by †@\/@r3$ on March 16, 2008 - Sunday - 1:57 AM [Reply to this]

	Jessica Mara	I know, that’s why it is so important to actively seek out many media outlets, you cannot just rely on your local news anymore!   Posted by Jessica Mara on March 16, 2008 - Sunday - 7:25 PM [Reply to this]

	Bryce Bryce Hutchens	"let's keep it about the facts..." That goes two ways. The fact is that he DID associate with the Rev. for more than 20 years...blah blah, you know the rest. The fact is also that he waited until word leaked of the "God damn America" part came out before he realized that his "uncle" strategy wasn't going to cut it anymore. Do I think Obama's views reflect that of the Rev.? No, not in the slightest. I've stated several times, though not in this particular blog, that Obama presents himself with the utmost of class and dignity. It was, and is turning out to be a murderous decision by the manager's of Obama's campaign, and if it were me, I'd fire them in a fuckin' heartbeat for it. If this story does die it will come back twice as hard, and be twice as much of a political burden in the general election. It's made Obama easily beatable, whereas if he'd have taken the proper steps to put himself as far away as possible from it in the first place the problem is effectively eliminated; and this'd leave you with the extremely minute group of idiots who'd think that because he denounced his pastor, he must be a Muslim. He'd still be an unbeatable national candidate had this not surfaced, and THAT'S why it's getting so much attention. Which is also why I'm loving it so much.   Posted by Bryce on March 16, 2008 - Sunday - 6:49 PM [Reply to this]

	Jessica Mara	“The fact is that he DID associate with the Rev. for more than 20 years...blah blah, you know the rest. The fact is also that he waited until word leaked of the "God damn America" part came out before he realized that his "uncle" strategy wasn't going to cut it anymore.” The thing is his association shouldn’t matter at all. SEPERATION OF CHURCH AND STATE!!!!! If you want Church AND State you keep them separate, if they become one you have neither! “It was, and is turning out to be a murderous decision by the manager's of Obama's campaign, and if it were me, I'd fire them in a fuckin' heartbeat for it. If this story does die it will come back twice as hard, and be twice as much of a political burden in the general election.” So Obama should appease the stupid??? Well I guess it worked for Bush! “It's made Obama easily beatable, whereas if he'd have taken the proper steps to put himself as far away as possible from it in the first place the problem is effectively eliminated; and this'd leave you with the extremely minute group of idiots who'd think that because he denounced his pastor, he must be a Muslim.” At least they now believe that he is actually a Christian.   Posted by Jessica Mara on March 16, 2008 - Sunday - 7:36 PM [Reply to this]

	Bryce Bryce Hutchens	Bullshit. This isn't about the church he went to. This is about his "mentor" and "father figure" (both earlier quotes of Obama's). The fact that he's a Reverend doesn't matter. The fact that he's a racist piece of shit, does. And no one in their right mind ever doubted his religion. And it shouldn't matter a fucking bit, anyways.   Posted by Bryce on March 16, 2008 - Sunday - 7:43 PM [Reply to this]

	Jessica Mara	His SPIRITUAL advisor! And the words "mentor" and "father figure" are not synonymous with political advisor!   Posted by Jessica Mara on March 16, 2008 - Sunday - 7:49 PM [Reply to this]

	Bryce Bryce Hutchens	What's your point? If there is a God, he'd have killed the racist son of a bitch giving Obama political advice.   Posted by Bryce on March 16, 2008 - Sunday - 7:54 PM [Reply to this]

	Jessica Mara	Free will, Bryce!   Posted by Jessica Mara on March 16, 2008 - Sunday - 7:59 PM [Reply to this]

	Patsy :) Patricia Delicia OnlyOnfacebooknow	I agree with you so much... I have debated about this on another blog... Great writing! Thanks!   Posted by Patsy :) on March 16, 2008 - Sunday - 2:47 AM [Reply to this]

	Jessica Mara	=)   Posted by Jessica Mara on March 16, 2008 - Sunday - 7:37 PM [Reply to this]

	Patsy :) Patricia Delicia OnlyOnfacebooknow	Love ya Mike! Muah!   Posted by Patsy :) on March 16, 2008 - Sunday - 1:47 PM [Reply to this]

	Ken	You're right. Religioius tolerance is not an American strong suit.   Posted by Ken on March 16, 2008 - Sunday - 3:14 AM [Reply to this]

	PlayNHooky	While you would be entitled to an opinion.............that opinion would be incorrect. As fas as I'm aware there hasn't been any incidents of Christian or Jews for that matter strapping bombs on and self destructing in a Muslim masque anywhere in the US. We are fairly tolerant when it comes to being able to practice a faith without violence. What we do do is make excuses for for people like Jeremiah Wright, Jesse Jackson, Pat Robertson and the rest of the so called Christian leadership. The only thing they haven't done is ask the people to drink blue cool aid and wait for the mother ship to pick us up.   Posted by PlayNHooky on March 17, 2008 - Monday - 6:14 PM [Reply to this]

	Jessica Mara	All he said was that Religious tolerance isn't America's strong suit. Just because there are societies that have less Religious tolerance then America, it doesn't mean that America automatically has wonderful religious tolerance...you can't compare down to justify your beliefs. That's like say Bob only raped and killed five little kids, while Stan raped and killed 30 little kids, so Bob has a good relationship with little kids.... see what's wrong with your reasoning?   Posted by Jessica Mara on March 18, 2008 - Tuesday - 12:59 AM [Reply to this]

	Jessica Mara	And that is one of the most scary things EVER!   Posted by Jessica Mara on March 16, 2008 - Sunday - 7:44 PM [Reply to this]

	Jessica Mara	smart and a little crazy!   Posted by Jessica Mara on March 16, 2008 - Sunday - 7:37 PM [Reply to this]

	Bryce Bryce Hutchens	No, but what's worse is how stupid the democrats are being right now. Proportions are monumentally spectacular. It's quite literally bringing a smile to my pretty little face. For the record, I can't stand the bible thumping idiots, either. But, watching the democrats do what they do best (ripping their own party to absolute shreds) is nothing short of awesome.   Posted by Bryce on March 16, 2008 - Sunday - 4:07 AM [Reply to this]

	Jessica Mara	True, the Democrats will probably never be as good as the Republicans when it comes to propaganda and herding sheeple.   Posted by Jessica Mara on March 16, 2008 - Sunday - 7:40 PM [Reply to this]

	Bryce Bryce Hutchens	Seeing as the democrats make up the majority (by almost 15%) of the registered voters, that'd make "sheeple" kind of a propagandic term. Don't you think?   Posted by Bryce on March 16, 2008 - Sunday - 7:46 PM [Reply to this]

	Jessica Mara	Bryce, just because there is a large group of people it doesn't mean that the 'large group of people' all believe the exact same thing...or that they all go in the same direction, when beckoned. I guess I can see how you might think that way...being on your side of the fence and all...   Posted by Jessica Mara on March 16, 2008 - Sunday - 7:55 PM [Reply to this]

	Bryce Bryce Hutchens	I'm going to start calling you my friend Marla, who just likes to disagree with me because she thinks it's fun.   Posted by Bryce on March 16, 2008 - Sunday - 8:00 PM [Reply to this]

	Jessica Mara	I dissagree with you when you're wrong. :)   Posted by Jessica Mara on March 16, 2008 - Sunday - 8:20 PM [Reply to this]

	Bryce Bryce Hutchens	Furthermore, the gentleman that originally leaked the taped was interviewed this morning (I can't remember if it was CNN or Fox) and he stated that they were running another article with evidence that states that Obama was most certainly present at the racist asshole's sermons, which Obama has expressly denied on several occasions. So this ain't dyin' anytime soon. Which is a good thing. P.S. I'd like to personally extend my hand in thanks to the Rev. for singlehandedly handing over the independent and right leaning democrat vote to McCain. P.P.S. This isn't going to get better. The closer PA comes, the more desperate Hillary's dumb ass will be. Clintonian political strategy will shine again. Leaving me with my next question: WHO are the almost 1/2 of the democratic party moronic enough to vote for her?   Posted by Bryce on March 16, 2008 - Sunday - 4:16 AM [Reply to this]

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