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Gender: Male
Status: Married
Age: 102
Sign: Aries

City: Moneyball
State: CALIFORNIA
Country: US
Signup Date: 2/12/2006

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Friday, March 30, 2007 

Current mood:  angry
For the past few days I've been up in Laramie, Wyoming, snowbound and in whiteout. It was actually really inspiring to see how young people have taken hip-hop to describe their own story. I met a multiracial crew of rappers, Collective Elements, who described what it's like to live on the margins in a small predominantly Mormon town. When they picked up the mic on Wednesday night, you could hear a lot of people exhaling.

So I finally get out of town this morning to find that the neocons have discovered hip-hop (or, uh, whatever that is that they are trying to do). And that some of them have even begun trying to figure out how to create a neocon way of understanding hip-hop.

Signs of the end of the world or just that hip-hop really is dead? You decide.

Joseph Abrams begins by critiquing my new book Total Chaos, but he starts heading toward a way of defanging hip-hop by reducing it to just a pleasurable way of understanding "the black street world", his words, not mine. You may remember these are the same folks that last year tried to rewrite rock history recently as a proto-conservative movement.

Might have helped if folks actually read Can't Stop Won't Stop, or for that matter, the book being reviewed, rather than just say they did.

In any case, reducing hip-hop to a simple "identity movement" is one way to make hip-hop safe for the Karl Roves of the world. (And you see what the results are...) Now, although many academics have made the claim, I have never claimed hip-hop began as political movement. I've always repeated the lesson that Kool Herc schooled me in: it simply began as a way for Black youth--African American, Afro-Latino, Afro-Caribbean--in the Bronx to have fun. No more, no less.

So, identity, yes. And yes, hip-hop is a worldview by now. That's what Can't Stop Won't Stop was all about, for anyone paying attention. So the National Review is half right.

But here's where they're got it wrong. I have always said that it is impossible to separate aesthetics from the world it emerges in. If new-century neocons, or anyone else for that matter, would like to separate the rap and hip-hop arts that they think they like from the living, breathing context that it all issues from--the way they did with rock and roll--they will always have beef from me and the large large fam out here. Aesthetics is not a neutral truth that lives above the people.

People make art. Art represents actual lives. We can disagree about what it means, but no one should ever be able to erase those lives, just so that we can enjoy their labor conscience-free. Even if we buy the art, we don't purchase innocence along with it.
DJNastyNate
Nathan Hamelberg

 
Go after them Jeff. But it's a good thing those neo-cons are coming out, for all their fox news clout, terrain such as art, music and culture doesn't exactly hand them home field advantage. What I really loved about Can't Stop was that in no way did you try to hide or dimish the contradictions and complexities of hiphop culture, or diasphoran black culture period. What disturbs me most about the neo con take on street culture (besides me being politically opposed to them) is that they have to go to much more extreme lengths to create some kind of agit pop. Very little art easily lends itself to endorsing conservative agendas, so it's almost always ugly when they go fore second best: reducing, ridiculing or downright raping a living culure so as to avoid having to take it's message seriously. Once again, big up!
 
Posted by DJNastyNate on Saturday, March 31, 2007 - 4:39 PM
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Dan Freeman
Dan Freeman

 
"I have always said that it is impossible to separate aesthetics from the world it emerges in. If new-century neocons, or anyone else for that matter, would like to separate the rap and hip-hop arts that they think they like from the living, breathing context that it all issues from--the way they did with rock and roll..."

1. It's not just the neo-cons that are the problem. Centrists and liberals of all races have already declared hip-hop as something that they have completely snatched out of it's original context, and have as much said "fuck you if you don't like it."

2. Anything Black people organically create is inherently political. If we thought up a new way to fart it would have a political meaning.

3. Capitalism is what does the separating and erasing. The problem is systemic, and not limited to a particular political perspective.

 
Posted by Dan Freeman on Sunday, April 01, 2007 - 3:43 AM
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Mark Skillz

 

Reminds me of one panel discussion - change that a bunch of panel discussions where academics would say that hip hop started as a reaction to the racist policies of the Reagan administration.

I used to laugh at that cause, apparently they were smoking some serious hash in the early 70's when a guy named Richie Nixon was president. But like Kool Herc said, wasn't nobody carrying a sign protesting an administration back then, it was all about having fun!

 


 
Posted by Mark Skillz on Monday, April 02, 2007 - 1:54 PM
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