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Thursday, November 29, 2007 

JERUSALEM - If Israelis and Palestinians have any hope of achieving their stated goal of signing a final peace treaty within a year, they may have to slice Jerusalem in half with a wall, come up with $85 billion for Palestinian refugees and figure out how to wrest control of the Gaza Strip from Hamas.

They'll also have to agree on which territory Israel should give to a future Palestine in exchange for being allowed to keep major settlement blocs in the West Bank. And if they decide not to divide Jerusalem, they'll have to determine how to share it while avoiding the potential security nightmare of an open border.

These are just some of the excruciating challenges faced by Israeli and Palestinian negotiators as they begin discussions Dec. 12 on how to end their century-old conflict — as agreed upon Tuesday at a U.S.-hosted Mideast peace summit in Annapolis, Md.

The Palestinians want to establish an independent state in the West Bank, Gaza Strip and east Jerusalem — areas that Israel captured in the 1967 Mideast war.

Of all the obstacles to a peace deal, none looms larger than Jerusalem — the city at the heart of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, with its holy sites of such enormous importance to Muslims, Jews and Christians.

Past peace negotiations have made it clear that the city will have to serve as the capital of both Israel and a future Palestine.

But that raises more questions than it answers. How can you transfer east Jerusalem to Palestinian sovereignty without stripping its residents of Israeli social security benefits, for instance, or how can Israelis and Palestinians each have access to the city but not the other's country?

"The Palestinian vision of Jerusalem is what they call an 'open city,' with access to all parts," said Yitzhak Reiter, head of the Truman Institute think tank in Jerusalem. "From an Israeli perspective, this is a problem, because there would be no 'hard borders' between Palestine and Israel."

Most Israelis and Palestinians do not want to divide the city, like the way it was before Israel captured its eastern sector in 1967. However, security concerns may require just that — unless the sides can come up with an alternative such as erecting checkpoints at all roads leading out of Jerusalem to keep Palestinian militants from entering Israeli cities.

But there's an even thornier issue — how to share the emotionally charged Jerusalem holy site known to Muslims as the Noble Sanctuary and to Jews as the Temple Mount. As the site contains a Muslim shrine built on the remains of a Jewish one, a solution will almost certainly require an international presence to administer jurisdiction.

Another major hurdle facing the negotiators is the issue of refugees.

The Palestinians want refugees and their descendants to be able to return to homes they left, or were forced out of, in the 1948 war that accompanied Israel's creation. The demand is a deal breaker for Israelis, who sees it as a threat to their country's Jewish character.

In the end, it seems the Palestinians will have little choice but to give up their dream of returning home. But that still leaves open the question of whether Israel will meet Palestinian demands that it acknowledge responsibility for the refugees' plight.

A recent report by the Aix Group, a gathering of Israeli, Palestinian and international economists, estimated the total cost of resettling and compensating Palestinian refugees and their descendants — a necessary element of any peace deal — would be between $55 billion and $85 billion over 10 years. It's far from clear where such an enormous sum would come from.

Israelis and Palestinians will also need to draw their future border. The formula worked out in previous negotiations called for a Palestinian state in the lines that existed before the 1967 war, with some modifications. Israel would be allowed to maintain most of its so-called settlement blocs — where most of its West Bank settlers reside — in exchange for giving the Palestinians territory inside Israel.

It won't be an easy swap. The Palestinians will surely demand Israeli territory of equal size and value to the land they're giving up for the settlements.

From the Israeli perspective, security is the biggest obstacle to peace — especially considering Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas' poor track record in establishing law and order.

Israel may eventually sign a treaty. But it will not uproot tens of thousands of settlers and hand over territory to the Palestinians unless it can be assured that the evacuated land won't be used as launching grounds for attacks — as happened after Israel withdrew from the Gaza Strip in 2005.

Israel will also likely insist on continued control of the airspace above a Palestinian state, that such a state not have an army and that Israel maintain a military presence in strategically sensitive areas of the West Bank. The Palestinians will not easily accept any of these demands.

The two sides agreed at Annapolis to use the so-called road map peace plan as a guide for negotiations, with its key requirements that Israel stop expanding West Bank settlements and that the Palestinians rein in militants.

Israel insists that stopping violence from Gaza must be part of the Palestinians' obligations. It's not clear how Abbas could accomplish this, with Hamas in control of the coastal territory after having routed Abbas' forces there in June.

Israel and the West are hoping to weaken Hamas' hold on Gaza by propping up Abbas in the West Bank. They may also seek to co-opt Syria, a key backer of Hamas, in an effort to neutralize the Islamic militants. Syria was among the 16 Arab countries participating in this week's summit.

Hamas already appears to be running into trouble in Gaza amid a devastating international boycott, and on Wednesday a senior Hamas official said his group might be willing to cooperate with Abbas.

Still, it will be extremely difficult for Abbas to make peace with Israel as long as he controls only part of his territory.

"He can negotiate. He cannot deliver," said Israeli political analyst Yossi Alpher.

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Steven Gutkin is the AP's bureau chief for Israel and the Palestinian territories.

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Associated Press writer Regan E. Doherty contributed to this report from Jerusalem

 

***** "Be positive, any thing could happen",  "I am down to help pay 85 billion dollars for peace and freedom". Said political analyst Free Palestine.

 

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DANIEL SAVIO (very much in love)

 
I might be out on a limb here,
but:
I think that the only fair thing to do is to have an Palestine/Israel-state where citizens of present day Israel and Palestine (including refugees) have equal rights and share of votes.
So that Israelis and Palestinians have to work together to solve problems and figure out ways to make their land inhabitable and prosperous for future generations to come.
OR:
We could kill all germans for what happened during WW2.
OR:
Perhaps nuke the whole of Europe for its treatment of Jews and Muslims during one thousand years or more of "Christianity".
OR:
We could give North and South America back to the "Indians" and send everyone else back to their great-great-great grandparents "homeland".
OR:
We could send everyone thats not an "Aboriginee" back to England, from Australia.
OR:
We could put every "kaukasian" in the US in the gaschamber for their ancestors slavetrade.
........(none of these ideas are farfetched I think)
This list could go on and on and on
(Hiroshima? Was that a war crime or what??? for example)

So come on now people its time for a reunion! We are one.
No more living in the past, the future is here and it could be so bright, for everyone!

OK
Hope no one was offended by my ideas, bright or not.
PEACE (Is what I hope for and belive in)
 
Posted by DANIEL SAVIO (very much in love) on Tuesday, December 25, 2007 - 9:32 PM
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-G@u-

 
I truly hope peace can finally settle the conflict Between Palestine and Isreal.
 
Posted by -G@u- on Tuesday, December 25, 2007 - 9:33 PM
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Persian Neliܐܬܘܪ̈ܝܐ,.سلام ایران.Love&Peace
City Seage. Iran

 
israel will NEVER have peace..it has killed so many innocent Arabs that the nightmare will not let the zions REST and have peace.
 
Posted by Persian Neliܐܬܘܪ̈ܝܐ,.سلام ایران.Love&Peace on Tuesday, December 25, 2007 - 9:35 PM
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Stratus Blue

 
On 30 June 1922, the following resolution was adopted by the United States Congress:
Favouring the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people; Resolved by the Senate and the House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled. That the United States of America favors the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which should prejudice the civil and religious rights of Christians and all other non-Jewish communities in Palestine, and that the holy places and religious buildings and sites in Palestine shall be adequately protected.


USA support for Israel hinged on these terms which were violated. The aggressors in the matter are a minority of elitists in control of all world finance. The USA citizenry will unite against them when greed drives the elites to destroy what the elites perceive as their enemy, the people.


The Merit of a General Strike on April 15th, 2008



In this election year, most voters have no chance to ask tough questions of the candidates. The majority is largely uninformed about what the media has effectively hidden such as World Trade Center Building 7 collapse, the 2.3 Trillion dollars unaccounted for by the Pentagon, the Petro-dollar-monopoly controlling the use of the United States Military and the Oligarchic electoral monopoly which FDR admitted has existed since the time of Andy Jackson. However, a growing number of Americans are educating themselves and others on these issues.

Political outsiders like Kucinich, Paul and Nader are at their own moments of truth on these facts. If you have ever talked to anyone about the issues above, you know how uncomfortable it is to come to terms with the reality of the treasonous actions of this criminal administration and those before it since the time of the creation of the Federal Reserve in 1913. It is traumatic to realize what has occurred under our noses and learn that our educational institutions are in total collaboration with those who ended Democracy in the United States. In fact, all of us have collaborated up to this point.

I ask you now the question posed to us after the Kent State Masacre "How can you run when you know?" At some point those of us who know will no longer run the treadmill. We must declare Independence. We must call for a symbol and a time to raise our flag!! That beginning is April 15th. We ask only that you wear a white armband if you know. If you do not know, educate yourselves on why the US Military-industrial-complex is spread around the world with a budget bigger than the rest of the world combined to police the world AT YOUR EXPENSE spilling YOUR fellow citizen's blood. If you come to terms with being collaborators with the forces who stole this nation's sovereignty and seek to steal every nation of this planet's sovereignty then wear a white armband to signify that you know it.

 
Posted by Stratus Blue on Friday, May 09, 2008 - 3:40 AM
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