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City: Twin Cities
State: Minnesota
Country: US
Signup Date: 12/6/2004
Friday, September 28, 2007 

Current mood:  contemplative
Pi was written and recorded only a few days before the completion of the Master copy, at around 10 am, with a couple of serious hangovers. Justin and I had talked about having a classical guitar intro into some sort of heavier riffage, but we weren't quite sure what that was exactly going to be.

We remembered back to a few weeks prior, when we were throwing around an idea of using the mathematical constant Pi, and incorporating it into some sort of complex breakdown pattern where the kick drum corresponded to each number as the figure progressed. Kinda creating the ultimate mind boggler of a riff. The complexity of the intro is often overheard, because it's hard to discern what is actually going on within the track, UNTIL NOW!!!

Here's a breakdown of the....um, breakdown, in the intro to our album, "Pi: The Mercury God Of Infinity"


The actual tempo is 120 beats per minute (bpm). You can hear this by listening for the closed hi-hat that is panned left: it is playing constant eighth-notes.

The snare is on beat three in 4/4 time at 120 bpm.

A crash cymbal accents beat one of the first measure in 4/4. It is repeated every four measures.

Now this is where it gets tricky: the china cymbal.

It's hard to feel the breakdown in Pi at 120 bpm, and this is mostly due to the china cymbal, which is playing a 4 over 3 (4/3) dotted-eighth note ostinato that begins on the "E" of one.



Confused?



Check it out: A quarter note is equal to one beat in 4/4 time, but so are two eighth notes, or 4 sixteenth notes. It's all about subdividing note values.

When you count a measure of 4/4 in quarter notes, it's: 1, 2, 3, 4.

When counting in eighth notes, it's: 1 + 2 + 3 + 4 +. (a plus sign refers to the spoken count "and" ex. "One and two and three and four and")

When counting in sixteenths, it's: 1 E + A 2 E + A 3 E + A 4 E + A. (Spoken: "One e and a two e and a three e and a four e and a)

So when I say the china starts on the "E" of one, I'm referring to the spoken counting value assigned to the second 16th note in a quarter note duration.

A dotted eighth note is a duration of three 16th notes, an ostinato is a persistently repeated pattern. Basically, the china plays on the bold-capitalized letters:

one E and a TWO e and A three e AND a four E and a ONE e and A etc.



Starting to get it? Cool.



At last, the reason Pi is what it is: the Double-bass pattern.

The formula of Pi for the kick drum was pretty far fetched at first, but seemed to work well once the track was finished. The numbers and rests in the formula translate to 16th notes on the kick drum, and 16th note rests. There is no kick drum beats where there are snare drums. Sooo, here it is:

With the decimal point BEFORE the number, and starting with the first number, move that many decimal points to the right and insert that many 16th note rests. Use one 16th note rest to divide the numbers you passed (when applicable). Continue on throughout the rest of the figure. No repeats.

So basically for the first step, you'd place the point (pt) before the first number, three: (pt)3.14159265

Next you jump the decimal three points to the right: 3.14(pt)159265

That's where you insert three 16th rests, and insert one 16th note rest between the other numbers you passed: 3(16th rest)1(16th rest)4(dotted-eighth)159265

Now, your decimal lies in between the 4 and the 1. So, following the formula, you move one point to the right of the 1 and insert one 16th note rest. There are no numbers to separate with single 16th rests, so you move onto the next number, which is 5, and follow the same instructions.






That's all there is to it! The formula extends out to 71 decimal points.

There's another secret to the actual track on the album, but we'll leave that for the people who try to figure out the riff and play it! Good luck, all you super intelligent motherfuckers!!


-Trent | ATB
Currently listening:
The Mouse and the Mask
By Danger Doom
Release date: 11 October, 2005
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Bryan [home for the summer]
Bryan Lovett

 
you guys are amazing. when the tab book comes out for "forgiving a future self" ill be the first one buying it
 
Posted by Bryan [home for the summer] on Thursday, September 27, 2007 - 12:13 AM
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NEW MYSPACE: http://www.myspace.com/478856654

 
Sorry for replying to the first comment. I actually kind of hate when people do this. But what you're doing is called the Fibonacci Sequence. You got this from Pi: Faith in Chaos, amarite? ;) If not, you should go pick up the movie.

 
Posted by NEW MYSPACE: http://www.myspace.com/478856654 on Monday, April 20, 2009 - 7:23 AM
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Troy

 
Actually, I'm pretty sure that the Fibonacci Sequence is the mathematical equivalent to a spiral ?

I believe the pattern is as follows :

0+1=1
1+1=2
2+1=3
3+2=5
4+5=9


And so on, so forth. As you can see, all that happens is you add a number to its previous, and then add the sum of those two numbers to the next number in the sequence.


Pi is separate from that.
Pi is the mathematical equivalent to a circle :

3.
141592653589793238462643383279502884197169399375105820974944592307816406

That is Pi to the aforementioned 72nd digit, as you can see, it does not follow the Fibonacci Sequence.

As for the other secret..I have no idea.

 
 
Posted by Troy on Wednesday, April 22, 2009 - 10:03 PM
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simon p33tr

 
haha pwned
 
Posted by simon p33tr on Tuesday, May 12, 2009 - 4:46 PM
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The World On Trial

 
You made a slight error so I don't want people being confused. I hate to be picky but actually the Fibonacci Sequence goes 1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21 etc.

or
0+1,1+1,2+1,3+2,5+3,8+5,8+13
 
 
Posted by The World On Trial on Saturday, April 25, 2009 - 3:42 AM
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Mickey

 
genius!
 
Posted by Mickey on Thursday, September 27, 2007 - 12:13 AM
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Kanga!

 
i think my brain just grew like 32,000 wrinkles.

hows the singer search coming?
 
Posted by Kanga! on Thursday, September 27, 2007 - 12:14 AM
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Madison
Madison Reed

 
wtf.

this is insane.
 
Posted by Madison on Thursday, September 27, 2007 - 12:15 AM
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Madison
Madison Reed

 
wtf.

this is insane.
 
Posted by Madison on Thursday, September 27, 2007 - 12:16 AM
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NEW ACCOUNT! ADD IT! myspaace.com/thgreenrager

 
i feel kinda cool that i could hear the complexity of everything. alot of people look at it like "eh, i could do that" but when you get up and actually try that shit, may luck be with you.



and to anyone who understands what trent just explained, 2 thumbs up for being a musician and a smart person in general.
 
Posted by NEW ACCOUNT! ADD IT! myspaace.com/thgreenrager on Thursday, September 27, 2007 - 12:40 AM
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hella fire

 
hells yeah man..anyone can TRY to play music...but it takes real niggas who know what the fuck their doing and deliver great music....thats why ATB is DANK AS HELL.(thats a good thing)
You dont neccesarily have to know what your doing to play good music,some bitchs are just born with it. But u get what im sayin
 
Posted by hella fire on Saturday, December 27, 2008 - 3:45 AM
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ADD VOLUMES,ROOKS,DEMOLISHER, AND SENTINEL NOW!!
Alex Aguillon

 
yo i wish i knew music theroy, which explains the insane you guys write is because you know guitar theroy n didnt guitar by tabs but actually playing music. the shit is insane n yur shred is so shrederific nah-mean. stay up, be safe alex3
 
Posted by ADD VOLUMES,ROOKS,DEMOLISHER, AND SENTINEL NOW!! on Thursday, September 27, 2007 - 12:44 AM
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J /// Griff™
John Griffin

 
you guys are hella ballin musicians
 
Posted by J /// Griff™ on Thursday, September 27, 2007 - 12:51 AM
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johnscott.

 
oh my god
pi
the mercury god of infinity
im gonna start a religion
after the burialism
and then im gonna tell my math teacher about pi and then blast it
hahaha
i cant wait
after the burialism
starts

now
 
Posted by johnscott. on Thursday, September 27, 2007 - 12:52 AM
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KingOfNothing

 
"after the burialism"


bahahaha


im down


i love this kid
 
Posted by KingOfNothing on Sunday, March 08, 2009 - 10:58 PM
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Connor
Connor Louiselle

 
i believe!
 
Posted by Connor on Wednesday, August 20, 2008 - 11:27 PM
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Andrew
Andrew Hansen

 
finally ! lol me and my friend have been talking about how you guys made this song forever! thank you for explaining this. it makes perfect sense now, i can finally learn it without feeling like my brain is shrinking. at least not as much anyway lol
 
Posted by Andrew on Thursday, September 27, 2007 - 12:57 AM
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Adam
adam blackwood

 
it's all bullshit
 
Posted by Adam on Thursday, September 27, 2007 - 1:11 AM
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Sheldon

 
your kidding me right? bitch get outta here
 
Posted by Sheldon on Friday, September 28, 2007 - 10:18 PM
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BRO Tucker

 
Seriously the most epic breakdown ever written.

Also, thank you for giving me something to confuse my music theory professor with.
 
Posted by BRO Tucker on Thursday, September 27, 2007 - 1:30 AM
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Suzie
Suzie Lee

 
you guys are nerds. yeah i said it! NERDS!
 
Posted by Suzie on Thursday, September 27, 2007 - 2:29 AM
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ANWA (uploaded a new track son)

 
aka musicians
 
Posted by ANWA (uploaded a new track son) on Sunday, October 05, 2008 - 2:09 PM
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Ronin KRZ (Hawkman)
Matt Herman

 
YOU ROCK MY FACE! EGADS THIS IS BRILLIANT!
 
Posted by Ronin KRZ (Hawkman) on Thursday, September 27, 2007 - 3:23 AM
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Johnny Lee
Johnathan Pritchard

 
no idea what any of this means. Playing it is just a lot easier, haha, trippy fuckers.
 
Posted by Johnny Lee on Thursday, September 27, 2007 - 4:00 AM
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Clint
Clint Greendeer

 
dude. that's true math metal there. i guess i need to listen to mr. beth more often huh?
 
Posted by Clint on Thursday, September 27, 2007 - 4:39 AM
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Treagle

 
wow, now I'm gonna have to try and figure out the other secret.
 
Posted by Treagle on Thursday, September 27, 2007 - 2:14 PM
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Killuminati

 
Amazing! You guys are something else, really. Now I HAVE to buy a PI hoodie. you rock
 
Posted by Killuminati on Thursday, September 27, 2007 - 4:58 PM
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SteVe (YFD)

 
You guys are just brilliant
 
Posted by SteVe (YFD) on Thursday, September 27, 2007 - 6:14 PM
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Samuel
Samuel Berard

 
Crazy,
Y'all like MF Doom.


Mm Food.
 
Posted by Samuel on Thursday, September 27, 2007 - 8:41 PM
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Taylor Bjork
Taylor Bjork

 
add more shit like this, its interesting.
 
Posted by Taylor Bjork on Friday, September 28, 2007 - 4:56 AM
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PETE.

 
wow your drummer must be REAL good. quarter note hi-hat clasps with his left foot and playing double kick with his two right feet?
 
Posted by PETE. on Friday, September 28, 2007 - 7:38 AM
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AFTER THE BURIAL

 
The closed high-hat is played by hand. Drop-clutch man!!
 
Posted by AFTER THE BURIAL on Wednesday, October 17, 2007 - 9:17 PM
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PETE.

 
Open up the comeback show with pi and end my skepticism.
 
Posted by PETE. on Wednesday, October 24, 2007 - 3:44 AM
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Andrew
Andrew Hansen

 
DROP CLUTCH!!!! wooooo!
 
Posted by Andrew on Thursday, October 18, 2007 - 10:18 PM
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Diaspora

 
Bahahahahahahah
 
Posted by Diaspora on Friday, October 05, 2007 - 1:43 AM
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Taylor Bjork
Taylor Bjork

 
Brilliant
 
Posted by Taylor Bjork on Friday, September 28, 2007 - 2:20 PM
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Chris!
Chris Lovellette

 
you guys should make an instructual video on how to do it. i bet it would help none musicians figure it out better plus it would be an awesome vid
 
Posted by Chris! on Friday, September 28, 2007 - 10:45 PM
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LH Drumline

 
our faces exploded...and keep on doing it every time we listen too it
 
Posted by LH Drumline on Sunday, September 30, 2007 - 3:57 PM
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|Afton|
Afton Hilgers

 
that blows my fucking mind! that is Insanely Amazing
 
Posted by |Afton| on Sunday, September 30, 2007 - 9:44 PM
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Billy

 
you lost me at the Pi formula part.... but damn i dont even care.... its a sick song...... and i wear the shirt proudly while all the math majors at my college snicker thinking they know wut its all about
 
Posted by Billy on Monday, October 01, 2007 - 3:06 AM
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tom-tom
Tom Benson

 
the epitamy of math metal!
 
Posted by tom-tom on Monday, October 01, 2007 - 9:29 PM
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Andy Reierson
Andy Reierson

 
Haha thats so ridiculous and awesome
 
Posted by Andy Reierson on Wednesday, October 03, 2007 - 5:24 PM
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william keith
Will Steinbrecher

 
holy crap i would never of figured that out

come to nashville!
 
Posted by william keith on Thursday, October 04, 2007 - 10:08 PM
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VJ
VJ Polkus

 
For fuck's sake. What the hell were you smoking when you came up with that??
 
Posted by VJ on Thursday, October 04, 2007 - 11:19 PM
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PRECIPATATION (NEW WEBSITE!)

 
the mouse and the mask is so fuckin' good.


that's all.


trent.

we need to get you on one of my new tracks.

...if you're not too busy.



classical.

uh.
 
Posted by PRECIPATATION (NEW WEBSITE!) on Monday, October 08, 2007 - 6:15 AM
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tomtier

 
you had me untill the double bass traslation into Pi. did anyone ever play this on a kit or was it programed? and didn't REO Speedwagon have the same breakdown in a song back in the 70's?
 
Posted by tomtier on Wednesday, October 10, 2007 - 8:43 PM
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Nathan

 
Seriously, could these people possibly be any more n00btastic? For god's sake, can you really stand to embarrass yourself that bad? Anyone who knows shit about the band is laughing their ass off at you right now. Figure your shit out before you post about them.
 
Posted by Nathan on Wednesday, October 10, 2007 - 10:55 PM
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will simba

 
genious. absolutely genious.


good use of math skillz.


stay in school kiddies.

maybe we can match up to these gods of metal someday.
 
Posted by will simba on Thursday, October 11, 2007 - 9:20 PM
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Dreweezy
Drew Musser

 
Its crazy how you guys aren't only playing some wicked metal, but there's also logic behind it!! When I first heard that intro I was wondering how you all stayed in sync through that complex beat, and now that I know that there truly was some math involved, that blows my mind!!!! Keep on doing your thing, you guys are the fucking shit!!!

P.s. The 8 string guitars are sick, I didn't even know those existed!!!
 
Posted by Dreweezy on Friday, October 12, 2007 - 12:45 AM
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Robert"Fuzzy"Landrum
Robert Landrum

 
I mean have you never heard of Meshuggah? Or have you just been living under a rock without music for the past 10 years? Math metal w/ logic and 8 strings actually. And you find out in 2007. Need to catch up buddy.

 
Posted by Robert"Fuzzy"Landrum on Tuesday, October 13, 2009 - 3:49 AM
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