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Sunday, October 11, 2009 

Current mood:  contemplative
Category: News and Politics
...When Two Tribes Go to War.




If the video above fails to play, click here or visit its YouTube page located at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTOQUnvI3CA.

“…When two tribes go to war
A point is all you can score…”

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Here We Go Again: Democrats Turning off Their Voting Base
by Kevin Zeese
October 08, 2009

Monday, October 5, 2009 may have been the beginning of the end of a Democratic majority in the House and Senate. Peace advocates demonstrated at the White House resulting in 61 arrests. The peace movement has grown tired of Obama’s failure to end the Iraq war, his escalation of the Afghanistan war, his expansion of the war into Pakistan and his growing military budget. They have turned their criticism onto him and the Democratic Congress but the Democrats are not listening.

Does President Obama remember how the Democrats regained the majority in the House and Senate? Does he remember how he bested Hillary Clinton in the primaries? Here’s a reminder.

Republicans dominated politics for the first eight years of the 21st Century. When President Bush attacked Iraq and pulled the U.S. into a war quagmire resulting in mass deaths of civilians and soldiers as well as bleeding of the U.S. treasury, the peace movement reacted. They highlighted the failures of the war, the lies that got America in to Iraq and the death, destruction and economic catastrophe the war was bringing. Peace activists demonstrated in Congress, sat-in the offices of elected officials and protested whenever Bush administration officials testified in Congress.

The public began to hear the full story – the weapons of mass destruction were a lie, there was no link between Saddam and Osama, the casualties of war were increasing, the cost of war was escalating, the largest mercenary force in history was violating laws. Opinion rapidly turned against the war. The result, in 2006, the voters threw out the Republicans and gave the Democrats solid control of both Houses of Congress.

In 2008, the front runner, then-Senator Hillary Clinton, was running a campaign for the presidency that seemed unstoppable. The media and politicians treated her election as an inevitable fait accompli. But, Clinton had voted for the Iraq invasion and this did not sit well with the American public, especially with anti-war Democrats – the base of the Democratic Party. The media anointed then-Senator Barack Obama as the “peace” candidate because of a speech he gave opposing the war before being elected to the U.S. senate. Aware of the mood of the voters he began his speeches with the promise: “I will end the war in Iraq.” Anti-war Democrats were enough to carry him through the primary and into the presidency.

In both cases, voters opposed to war were critical to determining the outcome.

But now, the Obama administration is ignoring those voters. The day after the protests at the White House it was reported in Talking Points Memo that the administration said: “White House officials say Obama is not focusing on antiwar protesters -- neither the more than 60 who were arrested yesterday at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue nor the handful outside the White House gates today -- or on a MoveOn email petition circulating asking him for a clear military exit strategy.”

The peace movement is noting that the president is ignoring their calls to end the war. Even worse for the president, this time we are starting as the majority. Polls show that more than 70% of Democrats oppose the Afghanistan war and sending more troops to the region as do a majority of Americans.

Obama is forgetting how he and the Democrats came to power. Who does Obama think provides much of the person-power for their elections? Or, the small grass roots donations? What do Obama and the Democrats think will happen if the peace movement stays home in 2010?

And, to make matters worse, he is repeating the mistake made in the health care debate. The president has been unable to excite grass roots support for reform because he and Congressional leaders took the most popular option, a single payer national health program, off the table. They would not consider the approach most Americans preferred. Instead, the Democrats have pushed a scheme that will enrich the health insurance industry – corporations that Americans hate and see as corrupt – by forcing Americans to buy their overpriced insurance.

So, what is his administration doing when it comes to Afghanistan? Making the same mistake. They are considering all options except the one Americans want. They have taken off the option list getting out of Afghanistan. Secretary Gates said this week “We are not leaving Afghanistan. This discussion is about next steps forward.” And, the president’s press secretary Robert Gibbs said: “I don't think we have the option to leave. That's quite clear.”

At a time when the Republicans are energizing their base by challenging President Obama, the Democrats are turning off their base whether on health care, bailing out Wall Street or now on the Afghanistan war. Do the Democrats really have the hubris to think they can turn their base off and stay in office? If they do, they are likely to learn a very painful lesson in 2010 and 2012.

Kevin Zeese is executive director of Voters for Peace and Prosperity Agenda.

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Obama supporters and Democrats are probably not that happy to read the essay above. But, it is just an essay and here is your chance to challenge it or embrace it. In usual fashion, here are my blog questions (1) What in your mind is the difference between Republicans and Democrats? (2) Is President Obama carrying on willingly the “War of Terror” legacy of the Bush administration under a different name? (3) Are the Democrats ignoring their base when it comes to domestic and international issues? (4) Will the Democrats in Congress (and in state offices) lose their power in the upcoming elections? (5) If so, why? (6) What is your opinion of Mr. Obama’s handling of the war(s) abroad? (7) If you were running this country, what would you do differently?

As a reminder, I believe adults can disagree without resorting to hateful words or name calling. With that said, I look forward to your thoughts, comments, and (if you are so inclined) kudos! Feel free to use the “Share” function below to send this to your friends at other social networking sites who may be interested in this topic. Thanks SleptOn.com for allowing me to feature ('pimp') the above article.
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~*~STACEY~*~

 
be back to comment
 
Posted by ~*~STACEY~*~ on Thursday, October 08, 2009 - 2:33 PM
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Donovan

 
~*~STACEY~*~  is first!
 
Posted by Donovan on Thursday, October 08, 2009 - 2:39 PM
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Prophet 43

 
Giving my kudos now but will be back to engage in this discussion for sure.
 
Posted by Prophet 43 on Thursday, October 08, 2009 - 2:46 PM
[Reply to this] 
Donovan

 
Thanks Prophet!

 
Posted by Donovan on Friday, October 09, 2009 - 4:27 PM
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Carl

 
Malcolm X said this and it still applies today. Republicans are the wolf, Democrats are the fox. The wolf says "I'm going to eat you" so you know where you stand with him. The fox sits next to you, romances you then he eats you!

Listen Obama is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. We are committed to these wars now, and he needs to either pull out completely (which is next to impossible at this point) or finish what we started.

I hope people see now what Bush was dealing with. I still think he was an idiot, but now we see it wasn't so simple after all to get the problems we face right now fixed.



 
Posted by Carl on Thursday, October 08, 2009 - 2:52 PM
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Hmmmm

 
I've never heard that quote before.  It's very true.
 
Posted by Hmmmm on Thursday, October 08, 2009 - 11:05 PM
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Claude
Claude Bowen

 
A promise made has to be kept more because he made people believe that he felt as they did that the war was ill advised and necessary.  Obama has advisers that he needs to remind do not make decision for him.  More lives lost on either side obviously will not change what is going on in Afghanistan. 

If we as a government are going to bring aid to the people of Afghanistan it must Diplomatic channels and assisting them in standing on their own feet.  the people msut stand up to the tyranny of their land, the people msut take it back or foreign blood will forever be spilled needlessly on their soil.

We can shut Afghanistan without shedding the blood of our youth or spending funds that should be channeled into the sinking American economy.  The Republicans are war-mongers and war is good for big business.  They manufacture the munitions, uniforms, artillery, transports etc.  their companies and invested interest get fat while our youth either lose their lives or limbs or return home to a system that does not appreciate them after they have made the effort.

We have much to much at home that needs our attention first.

 
Posted by Claude on Thursday, October 08, 2009 - 2:58 PM
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Donovan

 
Well said Claude!  But we must have balance between international and domestic affairs.
 
Posted by Donovan on Friday, October 09, 2009 - 7:40 PM
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~*~STACEY~*~

 
1. When Obama tried to be Bipartician, the Republicans didnt want to work with him or vote for anything. It time we stop thinking parties & think country!!! I think he has stepped outside even of his very own personal view and went out of his way for Republicans. 

2.  I think this is a hard question b/c it seems simulair but i think its the timing that is right. It wasnt suppose to happen in Bush's term. If Bush thought it throu & waited the timing would be better.


3.Are the Democrats ignoring their base when it comes to domestic and international issues? In a way b/c nothin would get done. 


4.A good chance .. almost a gamble. 


5. If so, why?  B/c they have to do things & sometimes you cant please everyone includin Democrates.


6. I think pple will come around to understand what he is tryin to do . Personally i would just take the military out of thereand be as needed basis.

7. Everything pretty much the same except i would take the troops out of everywhere whether ppl thought it was responsiable or NOT !!! Sometimes enough is enough and theres only so much you can do . Stoppin them from fighting over there will be endless. So i say AS Needed Basis!


 
Posted by ~*~STACEY~*~ on Thursday, October 08, 2009 - 3:02 PM
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Donovan

 
Thanks ~*~STACEY~*~ for sharing your thoughts.
 
Posted by Donovan on Friday, October 09, 2009 - 7:40 PM
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hulia

 
1. i think over the years they've switched places in a couple of areas. the republicans used to be for small government but under recent republican administrations everyone was being micromanaged on strictly moral grounds, for example abortion and gay rights. if republicans had followed the party line set down by their political ancestry moral laws wouldn't exist on a national level. a lot of cherry picking of ideals has gone on, and like any evolving thing political parties have shifted to reflect their demographic rather than drawing a demographic that suits their original ideals. fiscally they haven't changed that much, the democrats are still about social services and the republicans are about survival of the fittest.
2. i wouldn't know the answer to that, i'm sure he's handling it to the best of his ability the same as bush tried to handle it to the best of his. i don't have to agree with either of them, that's what voting is for lol.
3. i don't think it's possible for a party to ignore their base. politicking is a business and it relies on people enjoying an administration enough to support it. they might be ignoring a minority of their base but i promise they're watching the polls to see what the majority think of them.
4. there will be some backlash i think, there always is. people tend to vote along their party lines regardless of what's going on. elections depend on who is angry enough to actively support who they already claim to support. the opinion is already there, the issue is whether or not either side can generate enough support from their existing bases.
5. lol see four:-)
6. i don't really have an opinion, i'm a little torn. the humanitarian in me will always think more can be done to alleviate suffering, but the patriot in me is much more selfish. i don't mind him treading lightly, that's a relief to me. global happiness and satisfaction directly effects us down the line. we've certainly learned that much.
7. the only thing i would definitely do is hand a lot of power back to the individual states. this whole country is a giant business model. people don't feel like they have any satisfying input when the federal government gets too big. it's disheartening when a state that feels one way about an issue is forced into compliance with every other state and there's no easily accessible recourse. the government becomes an inaccessible mean boss at that point. i know you were talking more about the wars, but i don't think it matters one way or another how they turn out. there are pitfalls with pulling out and pitfalls with staying in. i can't guess which way would be less devastating but at this point it's a no win situation.

 
Posted by hulia on Thursday, October 08, 2009 - 5:32 PM
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Donovan

 
Great points as always hulia.

 
Posted by Donovan on Friday, October 09, 2009 - 7:39 PM
[Reply to this] 
Donovan

 
Okay Michael, the Rochester Guy! Just don't get caught up in those fights you have with the women on my thread playboy! lol
 
Posted by Donovan on Friday, October 09, 2009 - 4:30 PM
[Reply to this] 
Donovan

 
Thanks World.B.Free! Sometimes liberal and conservatives over simpligy in order to make a point.
 
Posted by Donovan on Friday, October 09, 2009 - 7:41 PM
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Trust

 
I will tell a story that I heard in Oxford,  UK this summer. There were so many students from across the world who came for the Summer School, a bedrock of the city of Oxford income and tourism. Every year, there are more Americans than any other nation. As is 'typical' of the British, they said the city is so noisy because the 'noisy Americans are here'. Americans are said to be impolite, they jump the queue, speak louder, eat a lot and leave thrash every where...bla blah bla, so the British said. But one quote that caught my attention one evening at the end of summer school was when there was a pile of KFC thrash and someone said, "Typical of Americans, they f*ck then withdraw and go back to their country".

My point is: "I don't think withdrawal from Iraqi is the best move right now. The view is that Americans f*ked that cuntry, so clear the mess before withdrawing. He cannot just pull troops and leave the place just like that. Just as people who work in an office, there is an end of day clearing up before leaving and I think Obama has to do the 'end of day' clearing in Iraqi not to behave like a 'stereotypical' American who leaves thrash every where".

NB. I don't believe in the British stereotype of an American.  I was in the US and met so many amazing people who were not screaming or throwing thrash everywhere. I also admire the 'politeness' of British people especially on the road. They are awesome, bless them!

 
Posted by Trust on Thursday, October 08, 2009 - 9:01 PM
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Donovan

 
Thanks Trust for allowing to see another side to American stereotype. But in your friends' and collegues' defense, you main stay was in Washington, DC and the Northeast coast of the USA...this region is full of wealth, education, and diversity, so we are not always presentative of what you throughout the USA...BUT i will say that Americans mean well...but are easily infuence like others around the world with razzle and dazzle. 
 
Posted by Donovan on Friday, October 09, 2009 - 7:45 PM
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Zurrell's Poetry 2
Zurrell Loriez

 
Hey Don,

I find a lot of irony in those who call themselves part of this PEACE movement. The United States population is lacking in will power to defeat terrorism. We've become delusional because of George Bush's failure to end the war on terrorism. The problem is he only started the war. Obama must continue to fight the war in order to prevent another terrorist attack. I believe the peace movement is sincere, but unfortunately, sincerely wrong. They erroneously believe that if we pull out of Afghanistan and Pakistan, terrorism will flee. I think that's because those who are a part of this peace movement don't truly understand human nature, and that the people we are fighting against DO NOT WANT PEACE. They are forgetting that these people attacked us (9/11) even when we were not on the offensive. What makes them think they will not attack us again? Now what I think Obama really needs to do is end the war, not by pulling the troops out, but by dealing one big death blow to the terrorist network and then pull our troops out. We have the military capability to strike hard and severe at the head of the organization, and destroy it within months. The question is will Obama do that, or will he continue to send troops and just have them sit around like the last administration did. We call this war on terror, but it was never truly a war in my opinion, just an occupation. We need to step up and finish the job.

Now the article mentioned that civilians are dying over there. We all too quickly forget what happened early this decade when our own civilians were working at their office desks and suddenly had to jump from the 1,000,000 (my own emphasis) floor of the twin towers. While war is an ugly situation it is very necessary. With that kind of mind frame, to bow down to terrorism, we may as well just take all of our nukes and detonate them ourselves in every major city of the United States. I stand behind Obama's decision to put hell on terrorism instead of letting terrorism put hell on us.

 
Posted by Zurrell's Poetry 2 on Thursday, October 08, 2009 - 10:21 PM
[Reply to this] 
joe

 
about Zurrell--- you are on to somethin--- im with you
 
Posted by joe on Monday, October 12, 2009 - 1:30 PM
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~Sir Tommie~ I Am Poetry~

 
Hey Zurrell I agree with you 100% here on this one.
 
Posted by ~Sir Tommie~ I Am Poetry~ on Sunday, October 11, 2009 - 10:52 PM
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Donovan

 
Zurrell,  I have to disagree somewhat...our fight in Iraq and Afghan. are not really about terrorism...as they are about stating down independent states for which we had an issue....if we were fighting a true war of terrorism are targets would be less about nation states and more focused on organizations.  Just as we have Democrats and Republicans, Jews and Muslims, blacks and whites, gay and straight...those nations are also diverse...AND they all don't hate us...what they hate is their perception that we only care about ours lives AND not the lives of innocent people who may support of our ideals...both wars were NOT about terrorism...they were about taking out countries we don't like...we misused what happen on 9-11 to do some very despicable things...that is NOT a war worth fighting...it will take decades to right the wrongs committed on all sides.  Thanks for sharing your thoughts.  You know I got mad love for your words.
 
Posted by Donovan on Friday, October 09, 2009 - 7:51 PM
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Zurrell's Poetry 2
Zurrell Loriez

 
I would also like to add that this article seems to be more concerned with Obama doing politics instead of what's necessary for the United States. The author mentioned that Obama is forgetting how he and the democrats came to power in the first place. I interpret that sentence as saying (and I could be wrong) "Come on Obama play politics, ignore the reality of the situation, this is about you looking good, not doing good and making the right choices."

I honor those in peace movement because their intentions are sincere. But I have yet to read one article or hear one speech from anti war protesters about what we will do if or after we pull out without finishing the job. I always hear the same message in a nutshell:

Anti War Protesters: "We have to pull out of the middle east. War does not bring peace."

Pro War Advocates: "Okay we will pull out, but then what shall we do?"

Anti War Protesters: "......."

I never hear any logical proposal from the peace movement about what we will do if we leave these countries. Its almost as if they don't believe terrorism exists. "War does not bring peace" is a philosophy, not the reality. It's a philosophy that sounds good, but has no actual substance. Imagine the United States letting Hitler roam free in Europe because people were dying over there...not to be rude...but not shit, and many more could have perished if we did not do something (and it could have been us.) Today we face a similar enemy maybe not as powerful, but with the same determination and hatred.

 
Posted by Zurrell's Poetry 2 on Thursday, October 08, 2009 - 11:04 PM
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Donovan

 
Zurrell's Poetry 2  go throughout SleptOn.com, the Huffington Post, the Guardian UK to get another version of what is going on abroad.  War is not the anwer when the reasoning is false. That's like getting $1,000 from your mother for school when you really are gonna use it for drugs. You well me. 

Finishing the job has negative connotations...what are we finishing????  Are we finishing 'those people' off...terrorists recruit because of our sloppy execution...terrorists cells are recruiting at unprecedented rates...because of your false determination to go to war...

Both wars are honest and dirty in my opinion...we need to get both country's security systems in place AND maintain a reduce presense overtime...

Some liberals, anti-war, and peace movement followers have plans for peace...it is just the so-called "liberal" press isn't that liberal or smart after all...they print "Jerry Springer" antics and help to persuade Americans to believe that is the complete reality. 

Invite everyone to go beyond the evening news on TV and cable and search out blogs, online media, and international news sources to supplement your information diet.  Americans, in this sense, are malnourished.
 
Posted by Donovan on Friday, October 09, 2009 - 7:59 PM
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Gregory

 
1.)  In my mind, there really isn't much of a difference when I boil it down. It's the haves vs. the have-nots.

2.) I think this is an area of weakness for Mr. Obama. I commented recently on another excellent blog that I think he should flex his "Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces" muscle. I don't envy him... there's a hornet nest that's still stirring in the East. Our president's strengths are as an organizer. We should end the Iraqi war, but Afghanistan unfortunately needs some closer scrutiny. But it's all about real estate - don't go getting that fact wrong. Go ask educated men of the WORLD.

3.) Yes, I think the Democrats have more to chew on then they bargained for. It isn't easy, and some leaders are learning this the hard way. Democrats have to fire up the propaganda wagon that the Republicans have using to their advantage. Public opinion is stronger now, and the Dems must acknowledge this.

4.) It all depends on how they handle this... they need to take a few pages outta the Reps handbook.

5.) The feeling of change has dissipated for many people. Problems are still here, and I feel that Mr. Obama has been acting slightly like John Kerry - the aloofness drives people away, and lack of fire that is needed to win the hearts and minds. We have a lot of dummies in this nation, and they all vote.

6.) I feel he's dodging these serious issues. He better get back to the plan. It seems as tho this Health Care Reform is once again stuck in gear. There's too much money involved. We gave the insurance companies soo much power that it would take a revolution to change things. And we're too busy twittering and watching television to do so.

7.) I would take the reigns. End that freakin' war in Iraq, start using the money spent there to be less dependent on oil. They'll go back to fighting eachother if we back out... hard truths. This is a spiritual conflict that so many of us don't realize.
 So we can't change the Insurance Industry - then let's focus on this oil business. Keep the Yankee dollars here. If we are to change as a nation - evolve and move forward - change needs to start at home. We can't be the police of the world. We need to be an example. I would also get very involved in the educational field. The youth of this nation are our only hope. My generation is already staid and set in their ways. If we want to end the struggle at home, we need to embrace those that live here. Burn those freaking textbooks they use in school and teach the truth, and how we can learn from it. All those "terrorists" over there must be laughing themselves silly at our level of internal hatred and trust in this nation... they went to Universities: they are very intelligent. So much fear being spread around - it's a more powerful weapon than a "dirty bomb".


Just look at it here on the Internet. Before the new President, there was a lot less hatred and fighting. Try to deny it. And people think they are "making their bones" at it. Ridiculous. Being shallow and callous is not pro-active. And YES, I have strayed from this blog... my apologies!

 
Posted by Gregory on Thursday, October 08, 2009 - 10:32 PM
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Donovan

 
Lots of good points here Gregory.  I will have to get back to you for a more detailed response.

 
Posted by Donovan on Friday, October 09, 2009 - 8:00 PM
[Reply to this] 
Buffarilla VS Harry Fox
Exposing Ignorance

 
So many topics are in here that I am a tad overwhelmed with answering......
 
first, I hate the label game..ya...just cause I hate it doesn't mean it's going to change...I personally believe this country would get a lot more accomplished if it did away with parties....IMHO..
 
This is in fact an opinion piece......as you stated...so....taking it as such I must point out that the write Kevin Zeese states in his opinion the Dems are not listening to those who are anti-war....and....Obama is ignoring them......I keep up a bit with MoveOn and disagree with this comment of his......it leads one to believe that Obama is ignoring the WAR issues because he is not giving these organizations the answers or any answers........that does not mean Obama is ignoring the WAR issues......
 
the situation we are currently in with the Middle East is complicated at best....there is no easy solution to it.....and if Obama were to simplify it...he would lose his credibility ....I think it serves no purpose for me to debate how wrong the USA was to enter Iraq......we are there....as well as Afghanistan and it needs to be dealt with...sigh
 
we need some major support over there from the members of the UN...we can not do it alone....and daily...the situation is getting worse over there....I think Obama is currently stuck between a rock and a hard place right now....
 
I wouldn't ever want to run this country.....or any country except maybe Disneyland....ohh wait.....nevermind...

 
Posted by Buffarilla VS Harry Fox on Thursday, October 08, 2009 - 10:56 PM
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Donovan

 
Cheryl Buffarilla, I would run DisneyWorld! You can have Disneyland...and we can have our own Peace Summits.  How cool would that be? 
 
Posted by Donovan on Friday, October 09, 2009 - 8:01 PM
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Zurrell's Poetry 2
Zurrell Loriez

 
posted two bulletins and facebooked it

 
Posted by Zurrell's Poetry 2 on Thursday, October 08, 2009 - 11:20 PM
[Reply to this] 
Donovan

 
Thanks Z.  I will be back to share my point of view.  I just wanted to let people chime in AND I get on my soap box.
 
Posted by Donovan on Friday, October 09, 2009 - 4:28 PM
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Prophet 43

 
1. One states it has values yet lacks compassion for the "everyday" man, while the other has compassion for "everyday" man while lacking in my opinion strong values and principals.
2. Yes President Obama is carrying on the "war on terror"...what other choice does he have?
3. Democrats have always ignored their base, black folks in particular. It is my opinion that Democrats play blacks like their mistress. When they need our votes to get elected they wine and dine us until we give up the "cookies". Once they are in office we are ignored until the next election.
4. I don't know the answer to this one. It may occur but I don't think they will lose as much as the Right is hoping for. I believe both parties have been invaded by radical extremist and both parties need to be taken back by those of us who are closer to the center.
5. Not sure
6. I think Mr. Obama is a pure blooded politician and said what he needed to say to get elected. We have 3 years remaining to see if he will come through on anything he has promised.
7. 3 things need to be focused on: (1) the economy- need I say more, (2) health care reform- notice I said reform and not overhaul....big difference, and (3) the dumbing down of America- more focus need to be placed on the educational system of this country. Dr. ML King warned about a nation who spends more money on its military than it spends on educating it populace.
Last but not least, America is now reaping what it has sown. We have sown corruption at the highest levels of this country and now we are finally reaping it. The only way to change what you reap is to change what you have sown. Great blog and I love your reminder to people that as adults we can debate without chidish hateful words and name calling. Some of us think the more names we can call people some how means we have WON the apparent debate....that mind set is appalling. Win a debate but disrespect another citizen!!!

 
Posted by Prophet 43 on Friday, October 09, 2009 - 12:56 AM
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Gregory

 
Prophet, I agree on ALL your responses. I hope I'm not the only one feeling weary.
 
Posted by Gregory on Friday, October 09, 2009 - 1:48 AM
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!!Lika!!
Lika TheLobbyist

 
So true... especially in your last paragraph. 

I love your eloquence and sense of unity for our country.

Keep up the good blogs.


 
Posted by !!Lika!! on Friday, October 09, 2009 - 2:40 AM
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Donovan

 
Thanks !!Lika!! for stopping by and showing love.
 
Posted by Donovan on Friday, October 09, 2009 - 4:29 PM
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♥ Ŝħ꣣ȉ ♥

 
KUDOS!!!
 
Posted by ♥ Ŝħ꣣ȉ ♥ on Friday, October 09, 2009 - 3:36 AM
[Reply to this] 
Donovan

 
Posted by Donovan on Friday, October 09, 2009 - 4:28 PM
[Reply to this] 
Catherine

 
I'll be back D. the only time I have time to blog is when "I'm working" and right now I'm off to spend money. lol   
 
Posted by Catherine on Friday, October 09, 2009 - 7:56 PM
[Reply to this] 
Trust

 
Mhhhhhhhhhhh, I love that! It seems we will be a happy money spending couple...yeeeeeeeeeeee!

 
Posted by Trust on Friday, October 09, 2009 - 10:06 PM
[Reply to this] 
Catherine

 
I like a man who never has to sleep on the sofa "for complaining about how much I spend" because when a man sleeps on the sofa "the woman gets punished"
 
Posted by Catherine on Saturday, October 10, 2009 - 3:54 PM
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Zac-Da-Nor, LORD OF THE DRAGON RIDERS

 
LOL, ..

OBAMA IS GOING EVEN FARTHER TO THE LEFT  , WITH THE HEALTHCARE, TAKING OVER  THE MAJOR INDUSTRIES AND THE WARS.

I BELIEVE NEXT YEAR THE REPUBLICANS WILL IF NOT TAKE CONTROL, ATLEAST WIN ENOUGH SEATS TO  BLOCK OBAMA.

AND I AM NOT A REPUBLICAN, I DROPPED THE PARTY  A WHILE BACK. THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IS LIBERAL THESE DAYS AND THE DEMOCRACTS IS SOCIALISTS.

NEITHER PARTY IS WHAT THEY WERE IN 74 WHEN I FIRST VOTED


 
Posted by Zac-Da-Nor, LORD OF THE DRAGON RIDERS on Saturday, October 10, 2009 - 5:30 PM
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Stratus Blue

 
Your reasoning is sound except that voters do not matter.



I think by answering #4 thoroughly I can answer all. Democrats cannot lose power because they are a fake opposition party to another fake opposition party. Ask Joe Lieberman. He ran for VP just months before leaving that party. All fake. Obama carries on THE POLICY and ignores the people just like every other politician. THE POLICY is spelled out in PNAC, and is NOT NATIONAL. It is international. Globalism. THE POLICY is world economic collapse and the end of nationalism in the USA and everywhere else. The USA is merely among the more stubborn victims of GLOBALIST elites. 100% of USA taxes is given to the international elites directly (bank bailout) or indirectly through the Pentagon. The Pentagon actually performs a service for their share. They exterminate resisters to globalism. Obama LEADS that effort very well for GLOBALISTS so naturally he gets an international award. If I were president I would call for the prosecution of Bush Sr., Clinton, Bush Jr., Obama and most of the Senate and Congress for war crimes, treason, fraud and racketeering. I would demand ALL be publicly executed after their convictions. 9-11 is certainly another prosecution waiting to happen. Same guys would be implicated there too. Total reform of the CIA is a must. It has to include declassification of 90% of the classified info. I would have LBJ's corpse exhumed and burned into ashes deposited in a open sewer. Reagan too. I think Carter might be the only living president that would escape lawful execution. But only a thorough investigation can say.





 
Posted by Stratus Blue on Saturday, October 10, 2009 - 9:54 PM
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Catherine

 
(1) What in your mind is the difference between Republicans and Democrats?
“Money” and “Power” “Money is Power” so I see it this way a “Tug of War Game” with the middle class on down people on one end of the rope and the very rich big business on the other end of the rope.
(2) Is President Obama carrying on willingly the “War of Terror” legacy of the Bush administration under a different name?
What I really would like to know is, Why do people think he has a choice? Yes one day an idiot said, Ok lets start a war. But do you really think that one day in the middle of that war you can just say, Ok I’m out here, I quit. Think of all of the ramification of our just walking away from a disaster we created.
(3) Are the Democrats ignoring their base when it comes to domestic and international issues?
“No”
(4) Will the Democrats in Congress (and in state offices) lose their power in the upcoming elections?
“No”
(5) If so, why?
N/A
(6) What is your opinion of Mr. Obama’s handling of the war(s) abroad?
See below.....
(7) If you were running this country, what would you do differently?
Not be so damn democratic when it comes to certain issues that need to just be and need to happen now, not 4 to 10 years from now.
In other words sometimes I think he needs to strong arm the opposition.
Like Bush did when he just decided we were going to war. 

 
Posted by Catherine on Saturday, October 10, 2009 - 10:31 PM
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Catherine

 
(6) What is your opinion of Mr. Obama’s handling of the war(s) abroad?
I think I’ll repost my last blog and last response to your last blog here, “in this beautiful #6 spot.



My thoughts on Obama and the Nobel Peace Prize

If we think back, some of his first steps after being sworn in, was to reach out to other countries, different religions and say “We’re sorry as a country for sometimes we are an arrogant country.” He talked with people of the Muslim religion to let them know, “We as Americans know not all Muslims are extremists.”

At times it takes arrogant power to protect our borders from the “Extremists” who wish to kill Americans “Simply because we are Americans”

I have often said, I hope we are a people evolving from a state of being called “Survival of the Fittest” to a state of being called “Survival of the Wisest” I do believe that the majority of humans are wise enough to see the folly of war and President Obama is one of those people.

But until we can change the thought process of all world leaders to leave behind the “Survival of the Fittest” theory. I think it best that this country be protected by people both “Fit and Wise for our continued Survival”
And I think President Obama represents just that to world. Yes we are powerful nation, but we are an accepting, peaceful nation. A nation of wisest and fittest of people. But we will only react with force if forced.

Unlike his predecessor, who gave the opposite image of Americans.

Why shouldn’t he be proud and accepting of the prize offered him?
After all was he not first to “Extend the Olive Branch” it's up to others to accept it.

 
Posted by Catherine on Saturday, October 10, 2009 - 10:34 PM
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Mystery

 
(1) the differences are so much smaller than we think.  polititians alone have created the illusion of them v. us and the great divide we currently face.  we all want the same things at the end of the day, but just believe in different means of achieving.
(2) absolutely NO.
(3) i don't personally believe so. i am a Democrat.
(4)/(5)  some might, but in general, i don't believe so.
(6) the mess he inherited will take more than a few months to resolve.  i feel so much safer now than i did under Bush.  i believe the fact he has "ending the war" as even one of the goals is amazing and we will achieve it.
(7) i am sure i would do a lot differently, but with regard to the war, i would do the very best i could with what i had, as President Obama is doing. i do believe he has American's best interests in mind.
 
Posted by Mystery on Sunday, October 11, 2009 - 5:08 AM
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~Sir Tommie~ I Am Poetry~

 
Great blog Donovan...

~Sir Tommie~
 
Posted by ~Sir Tommie~ I Am Poetry~ on Sunday, October 11, 2009 - 10:49 PM
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~Sir Tommie~ I Am Poetry~

 
If you were running this country, what would you do differently?

One thing about being the leader of a land such as this you will never ever make all the people happy. To many groups with different agenda's. So with that said who would want to be the leader this land? Not I it is hard enough  to be a leader in my household and it is only 5 of us.....lol. But all five have different wants and needs that we tend to put in front of the others. And this is only on such a small scale. But the truth is our nation is one that is lost and always will find a way to make the best of us look like the bad guy. Only Jehovah God can help us. Enough from me for now.

Take care,
~Sir Tommie~




 
Posted by ~Sir Tommie~ I Am Poetry~ on Sunday, October 11, 2009 - 10:58 PM
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Terry
Terry Mykes

 

(1) What in your mind is the difference between Republicans and Democrats?

Republicans and Democrats; WHO KNOWS ANYMORE!?  Conservatives and Liberals?  One is about upholding personal accountability and responsibility of the American people while the latter is about absolving it.

 

(2) Abstaining from using Bush Buzz Words does not change the simple facts as to what the war is or is about.  “You may not be interested in war, but war is interested in you.”   To which end, “The end may justify the means as long as there is something that justifies the end.” Trosky.  In Obama’s defense, as junior, wet behind the ears Senator he was not in the loop as to the magnitude of the issues not only besieging the world, but threatening the American way of life.  He tried to play this down to get the Nobel Peace Prize and immediately approved more troops.  (I am in Afghanistan right now and will give the full run down on things happening here later).  He is faced with a new reality and has to handle these things in a manner other than what he said he would.  You could say he was forced to wake up from his simplistic little world of the ideal and forced to deal with what the rest of America has seeing for years.  In dealing with these people you cannot be a sheep; in the least you must be a sheepdog to keep the wolves at bay, if not outright kill the predator.  Calling it other than what it is, changes nothing because the fight is the same.  

 

(3) I don’t think it is so much that they are ignoring their base as much as it is that they are striving for a new American lifestyle that they will force on their base!

 

(4) & (5)I predict they will lose 22 to 25 seats unless they change their direction FAST.  We have seen the starting of it with Obama’s promise to end DADT to make good (finally) on some campaign promises.  This is to recapture the base he is loosing and he did it with such ambiguity that they are already speaking against him and criticizing him for his lack of substance in addressing the issue.  What they are doing is buying time.  Why sign this now with tough elections approaching; at which time people will have forgotten.  They will drag this out until the can make it a true election issue.  Be looking for a big surge on immigration changes.  Couple the two together and they can conceivably save as many as half of the seats they are looking at losing in 2010.

 

(6) Much more on his handling of the wars to come!

 

(7) Everything!  LOL!  I would do the unpopular, not to be popular but to fix things.  If I stepped in today I would redirect all stimulus monies to the states to make them temporarily solvent so they can stop taxing to recoup when people can least afford it.  I would ease taxes (considerably) to allow people the freedom to spend vice save for necessities.  We have to remember that 70% of our economy is supported by consumer spending which we have shut down through taxes and proposed taxes.  I would suspend capital gains taxes on business at the 750K mark and below to allow them to not only operate, but to grow.  We have seen the lowest job creation rate in our history and the problem lies right here in this small business demographic.  That needs to be reversed IMMEDIATELY.  I would provide incentives for new business start up, beginning with tax breaks and begin removing the extended social support mechanisms in place.  As jobs become available; PEOPLE NEED TO GET THEIR ASSES TO WORK!  Welfare and the like are good steps up, they are not lifestyles though and I would link the availability of such program funds to unemployment levels.  (Like I said, not popular – perhaps people should be glad that Obama is in and I am not).  The idea is that recovery can be aided, but the programs have to be aimed at aiding them.  We have seen the exact opposite.  Tax, tax, tax when people can least afford it.  I would allow the economy to recovery and then reintroduce tax rates to begin governmental recovery efforts.  Lastly, I would fire every swinging dick elected to office and resign.


 
Posted by Terry on Tuesday, October 13, 2009 - 7:58 PM
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Donovan

 
Wow....I got you over here. Thanks for sharing your thoughts. You are always welcome here Terry.
 
Posted by Donovan on Tuesday, October 13, 2009 - 8:08 PM
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