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Tuesday, September 15, 2009 

I have a slightly different view to Patrick. I think that this whole moment is a natural evolutionary extinction. Empires rise and fall, species come and go, there are huge seismic cultural changes going on but- so what. Its natural. Its happened. So- now what?

Yes- sales are as good as dead. But music itself is thriving, and what we have now is the widespread appreciation of music, of all types, by a generation with the greatest free musical banquet in history spread out in front of them.

Sales are dead- but live and ticket sales, merchandise... all healthy and thriving, bigger than before. 

There is no point, no matter how well intentioned, to pleading for people to develop a sense of guilt and cease free sharing. I've said before- thats King Canute behaviour. Its too late, the genie is out of the bottle.

The reality is that now, musicians have to go out and play to make money. Your single, or album, is now a 'flyer' for the live experience.

And by living like this, musicans are now returning to the life of a musician, the real life that countless endless musicians lived over and over throughout history, since music was invented. You see, before this brief 'silly money' period of the last 60 years, musicans, like actors, or variety performers, or circus folk-  had to go out and perform to survive. And if you wanted to hear it- you went to see it. Thats how it had been since somebody banged two sticks together around a fire.

Thats the real 'norm' of being a musician- thats the truth of it. The last 60 years were an exception to the rule. This is not the end of music- just the end of a strange era within musical history- the Pop era.  Things are now going back to normal. To finish, I'll tell you why this may be good:

(1) To do it now, you have to love it.

(2) You will have to suffer to do it. This means the fakes, the opportunists, the fame-hungry empty souls, all no longer have any reason to clog up the air. Evolution is thinning the herd.

This puts the new musicians in the same boat as Leadbelly, or Robert Johnson, or the Jazz purists still carrying a torch since their era ended with the 1950's. Mozart died poor, remember? Basically- now you really have to BE a musician. You will do it because you love music. No frills, no Lear jet, no Ferrari collection. The surreal 20th century party is over. 

Sure- moneys nice. But that not why I started, and you wont catch me whining online about my lawyers fees and the fact I cant buy a nice detached house in the country. That was never my mission objective.

I'll end this where I started- evolution:

Survival of the fittest is a powerful evolutionary force- it creates new forms, and it always pushes onwards, upwards.


How can that be a bad thing?



Nathan
Berlin
Sept 09


HERES PATRICKS BLOG:

FFFe-- I woke this morning to see Lilly Allens blog about the music industry and file sharing... 

Well, I try to maintain some kind of private life, but certain issues, when the message isn't coming across through all available media, have to be spoken about.

I think to myself that my money shouldn't really be any bodies business but I look at what I knew about the industry before napster- came along and it was a very respectable encouraging place where people on independent labels could live a good life and create great art and music and use the profit they made to invest in other talent or other future creative projects... some musicians were lucky to get a mortgage or if you were lucky and had been through the britpop days, you could buy a house. major labels and indie labels sat side by side quite comfortably. 

When my first album came out.. there was a whisper or jokes, but alot of speculation about what might happen in the future, what with file sharing and this new thing called myspace... I fast forward to 2009 and the only income any artist will see now is by doing live performances, I have friends who have been to number one for weeks on end and seen no profit due to marketing. Most major labels are in more debt than you can ever imagine. And its not very funny as all these people who work there (and there are many, many, many) are people with jobs who went to school like you and I did and wanted to work and earn a living. I still don't understand how spotify is meant to make up for this, I don't know anyone who has actually bought an account. When theres no money coming in.. then no body gets paid... then no one can pay their bills and then you are homeless.... its very hard for everyone right now in the current economic climate and I have total sympathy with all of you, but im making a plea on behalf of all the fantastic musicians and people within this fabulous industry which was built at the end of the day, not to make money off you but to inspire you... what is life without music??  

I don't have a liberace helicopters and limousine lifestyle. I'm currently deciding wether i spend the last of my earnings this year from touring on recording the string and choir section of my new album or on the rent until december, just an example of how alot of other musicians have it. I dreamt as a teenager I would be able to buy a house one day, somewhere peaceful so that i could focus on writing and composing and perhaps set up a gorgeous studio with all the instruments I have collected to record and produce other bands. in the early 2000's it seemed likely but file sharing means that most musicians will probably just make ends meet their whole life now and most musicians dreams will have to be put aside for need for part time work and doing the odd gig and free download only single made on garageband.

As musicians, to make big and small music, we all have other musicians to pay and crew to pay and managers and on top of that lawyers and accountants.... if you don't pay for music, how can the musicians of tomorrow and of today survive and learn our craft. In my 7 years in this biz I have seen countless record companies fold and recording studios close and sold for real estate to make a luxury apartment complex. For instance, the townhouse, a legendary studio in shepherds bush where I mastered wind in the wires and the magic position had to close down because record companies cant afford to put bands into studios and get them playing with beautiful acoustics and great sound engineers and vintage gorgeous mixing desks and grand pianos. When I was last at Abbey road studios, I was told by a mastering engineer that it was close to being turned into a museum because there is no REVENUE in the music industry because in the last 5 years people have stopped buying music. Please.... Even if you just go out and buy your favorite Joni Mitchell album on Cd or Buy a Bob Dylan Vinyl from HMV or FOPP something. Think of the music industry like a food chain.... it goes right from  from madonna, elvis to beyonce right down to the boy behind the counter at hmv via billions of peoples wages.....

I would also like to tip my hat to music retail too... I am so sad there are no more record shops in London. my church used to be a place called tower records, picadilly circus, and every sunday I would go to pray at the alter of the listening post. There are no part time saturday jobs "at the record store" for anyone now.. the U.K is a sad place in 2009 I think. Sorry to sound depressing, but i think it really is time we as musicians spoke out more about these issues, I have been really inspired by Lilly writing the below piece on her blog. I can only do my best in saying I am on the same ship as you all and the ship is sinking, sinking.... But what is life without hope!! Lets start a new future... think about where all the lovely music comes from... Do what you can to protect the music you love, invest in physical purchases, think about the machinery that goes on behind making your favourite band so fabulous and inspiring.... and how they should be able to make a living as well as you too... There really is a need to call an end to the bling bling flash in the pan soulless simon cowell world of money rubbish. I beg of channel 4 or BBC one to bring back a TV show that shines a light on new talent. Lily.. take it away,,,,, 

xx patrick wolf 
Dona Cranberry

 
Oh wow I agree I hate overly commercialized music that they get all pussy because ppl won't buy albums anymore. I think it's good cuz it'll make those people stand up and do what they "enjoy" according to them. I do hope the pop era does go down aaaaw it reminds me of those starving trovador artists on the 1800s they had to play to eat and survive
 
Posted by Dona Cranberry on Tuesday, September 15, 2009 - 3:04 PM
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WHITEY

 
I guess the whole thing doesnt bother me because I've been a skint musician for a decade and a half- as a kid that whole troubadour thing sounded very romantic- but as a life its not such fun quite a lot of the time- however it does toughen you up in the end. Now I dont care if the whole industry goes up in flames.... I've evolved to live without them for along time now, their passing is of no impact for me. I'm outside.
 
Posted by WHITEY on Tuesday, September 15, 2009 - 3:33 PM
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PYLAS

 
I don..t think I agree with you on this one. It seems that you..ve redifened the term musician. You may have given in to this whole idea as a pessemist (or realist), but what income alternative will you have in the future? or any gifted muscian for that matter...
maybe this whole fck movement DID spread the "love" for music, but it has also limited creative and talented artists; regardless of age.

 
Posted by PYLAS on Wednesday, October 14, 2009 - 12:33 PM
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Mr. Kelly

 
It really is the crap musicians that suffer.

All the Whitey on my iPod matches the records on my shelf. 
All the Guster I downloaded for The Girl; grabbed that shit off OiNK or waffles and could fucking care less because I'd never buy that stuff anyway. 

And yes, that kind of situation where the rolling stones are bigger than god and the blues musicians they ripped off live and die in obscurity is in peril of never repeating. 

There will always be a market for crap. There will always be a zealous following for what's good. 


And for a guy to bitch that his favorite chain record store on Piccadilly Circus disappeared, and it be a supposed symptom of a greater decline would be like me mourning the loss of that one McDonald's that had the most perfect, greasiest burgers; better than the rest. I may have to drive 150 miles to get to the nearest Ikea, but I'm five minutes away from a real record store; the kind with the old man in a stretched t-shirt, pistol in a paper bag under the counter, where the place smells like stale cigarettes and old paper, but even the records in the bargain bin propping open the door will take the top of your head off. 

It's got to be horribly shocking for one to realize that people may no longer buy things because they have to, and instead spend money on something that's worth it. 

 
Posted by Mr. Kelly on Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 5:57 AM
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TymexPyres

 
Yet again, I agree with you. This will cause much more effort by those who really love the music, on both ends. The artist, and the avid fan. It won't be as easy for twenty knock off artist to parody someone else, send it to an editor, and market it on the shelves. The artist will have to be 'real' again. Not just out for a quick buck, because there isn't too many of those legally attainable anymore. 100 dollars plus a head at a concert comes out to more profit anyways rather than 20 dollars a c.d. You can't put guilt on the free music scene either, to that I agree also. It didn't work in China when the emporer tried to eliminate opiate addiction by addict execution. Millons died, but even more were still chaseing dragons....
 
Posted by TymexPyres on Tuesday, September 15, 2009 - 3:04 PM
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Temuri
Temuri Stuart

 
I completly agree, you have to go out there & earn it.  Ok I can't sing/play & all that so I don't know about the money side much, & yes, I share music with my friends.  But that's how you hear it!  If we like it, we'll pay to see you perform, buy merch on the stalls (not from the dodgy touts outside with their stripey shirts & a print on logo!), & then tell our friends.

Word of Mouth is the way to it 

If that made any sense at all..........
 
Posted by Temuri on Tuesday, September 15, 2009 - 3:04 PM
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WHITEY

 
Perfect sense Temuri, now cough up some cash...
 
Posted by WHITEY on Tuesday, September 15, 2009 - 3:30 PM
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Temuri
Temuri Stuart

 
Pfft I paid fair & square for your album so ner!
 
Posted by Temuri on Tuesday, September 15, 2009 - 4:13 PM
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Perry Wimbleton

 
Whitey I am reassured to know that an artist of (way) bigger stature such as yourself is expressing similar views. For these past 60 years or so corporates have used music as a divine moneymaking tool to different extents, save a few labels and artists who express pure love for this music.  Just look at the formats of music retail that have become obsolete such as the tape, Minidisk, Vinyl on the most part.. It's just a shift and natural evolution.

I am looking forward to the industry being more revolving around the live experience as you said.. this might bring the focus to a particular local band that trikes someone in their own town instead of revolving round the bigger artists. With obvious exceptions, the purer talent and the more primal sheer joy of playing music to intimate crowds can be had on this level.

One thing I am not looking forward to with ushering this new era of file sharing and downloads is the toll it will take on the listener's attention. It's now an age of instant gratification, where you can find out about an artist, like the song on whatever advert it's featured on and listen just to that. Makes sense, but the joy of listening to a whole album as a cinematic experience is fading and that's sad. It's happening to me as well, my attention is definitely fading. You'd have to drum up a lot of media hype (deservedly or not) and convey context for it to be consumed as one whole album to the more avid fans (one example like that is Bon Iver's For Emma Forever Ago).

Anyway sorry this was long... it's definitely a complex theme that's been bubbling in my thoughts for a while and I'm glad someone shares a likewise view.

 
Posted by Perry Wimbleton on Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 7:33 PM
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Farmer Joe & The Ignorant Corpses

 
Bang on Whitey.  Dead center.
More I listen, more I read, the more I like.  Yer an interesting feller.  Your intellect is steering your creative parts and I've found that when an artist does this they are 'firing on all cylinders', as is said.  (BTW - you've got huge production and melody talent - makes me glad you are 'on the outside').

Best wishes to you!

 
Posted by Farmer Joe & The Ignorant Corpses on Saturday, September 19, 2009 - 7:56 PM
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Perry Wimbleton

 
I'm glad someone shares my view. Just look at past formats like tape, minidisk and vinyl on the most parts to see that it is an industry and medium that rapidly changes. 

One thing I do not like about this age of file sharing and downloads is the toll it will have on people's attention spans. It makes sense for someone to like a clip of a song they heard and download that song and enjoy the song. Thing is the times when people buy an album and listen to the album a s a cinematic experience are dying as a whole chunk of time of one artist's songs seems a bit boring to kids growing up in an age of instant gratification, speedy messages, speedy tempos (like donk shit) and speedy internet connections. I find myself sometimes drifting off in the middle of albums and finding it hard to maintain concentration... and this fact alone is really sad.

 
Posted by Perry Wimbleton on Saturday, September 19, 2009 - 7:56 PM
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dvj PABLODIABLO

 
always kind of knew this was happening, but reading it as you put it...yes, makes me very sad too.


 
Posted by dvj PABLODIABLO on Tuesday, September 22, 2009 - 7:31 PM
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Ollie

 
The people who fear the change in music sales are the ones that are insecure in their music's wealth. The artist creates because the artist wants to create.

God bless evolution.

 
Posted by Ollie on Sunday, September 27, 2009 - 8:40 AM
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Subject to change

 
That's an Interesting way to look at it...

I read Lily's blog and Patrick's... and I did get sick of them trying to put me on a guilt trip. I download a lot of music from the net illegally I also buy a lot of music and spend a lot seeing bands live infact considering the amount of income I have made this year I don't think that even if I didn't spend my money on travel and rent etc. I wouldn't have been able to buy the music i have. so patrick wolf didn't lose money from me not buying his cd he just fueld my intrest in his music and now I wanna travel 8 hours to melborne to see him play live.

I think you were spot on with the flyer theory!

 
Posted by Subject to change on Wednesday, October 07, 2009 - 7:26 AM
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Eric J.

 
Lest we forget, the majority of society does not really like nor understand "art". They need to be convinced and told what to like and buy for they are too busy procreating and sitting in fast food drive thrus to think of such trite things.
 
Posted by Eric J. on Thursday, November 12, 2009 - 12:19 PM
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