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Friday, July 10, 2009 
In the wake of his death, I see constant references to Michael Jackson as the "King of Pop".  I remember when this term was first used.  Michael's PR handlers enforced it in 1993, warning journalists and magazines that they had to use it to describe Michael otherwise they wouldn't get access to him.  

This is an unusually crude way of conferring a title on a star, and while it would have been an appropriate title for Michael during the years when he really was the "king of pop" (1982-3, the era of Thriller's dominance of the world's charts), by 1993, when his handlers insisted on it, he was nothing of the kind; more like a king of shadows, or of wierdness.

The throne of "King Of Pop" is a revolving chair, and no one artist has a claim on it.  And several have a greater claim than Michael, based on the breadth of their work and the longevity of their heyday.  

Frank Sinatra was the King Of Pop in the mid 1940s; perhaps the first bearer of the crown.

Elvis Presley was King Of Pop from 1956, when he exploded like a supernova onto world consciousness, until 1960, when he emerged from the army and began his fade into a routine of bad Hollywood films.  

The Beatles were the Kings Of Pop longer than anyone, towering over the worlds of music, youth culture and fashion from their arrival on the TV screens of the USA in early 1964, till their split six years later, and it's arguable that as solo artists both Lennon and McCartney - and even George Harrison during the global success of All Things Must Pass in 1970-1 - continued to occupy the throne for a year or so afterwards.

Marc Bolan and David Bowie were consecutive Kings Of Pop in 1970s UK, Bowie for longer, while David Cassidy was briefly King Of Pop in the USA in the early '70s.

Michael Jackson's ascent to the throne came with Beat It and Billie Jean, his fantastic 1982 singles.  I still remember how Michael's very name, during those two years, stood for a lighting-sharp energy, a fusion of incredible singing and supernatural dancing.

But then Prince trumped him in 1984, releasing Purple Rain and displaying equally outrageous dance moves, equally exquisite singing, a prodigious armoury of musical and arrangement skills - not least of which was the most soulful lead guitar playing since Jimi Hendrix - and a sly, sexy mischievous humour that made Jackson, by contrast, look tense and two-dimensional.  Prince's name replaced Michael's as that most synonymous with brilliance and sharpness, and he occupied the throne till 1988, when Lovesexy failed to maintain the standard of his previous four albums.

Since then Kings Of Pop have come and gone with increasing rapidity (and some might say with increasing vapidity), but Michael Jackson hasn't been among them. He deserves to be remembered as a superlative talent, but he was only truly the King Of Pop for two years in the early '80s.  



Ali Wilson / B.A.Wilson

 
You forgot Black Lace boss!
They were Kings Of Pop for almost a fortnight back in 1981.
 
Posted by Ali Wilson / B.A.Wilson on Friday, July 10, 2009 - 2:29 PM
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Kara

 
I've long believed that MJ was overrated later in his career. He couldn't understand why the record companies weren't backing his later projects. He wasn't doing anything new or different. Same old song and dance you might say.

You can't hold onto a self prescribed title and expect it to mean anything.
Michael was talented, but his personal life  far outweighed his musical talent at the end. 

 
Posted by Kara on Friday, July 10, 2009 - 2:30 PM
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Sprigadoo
Sprigadoo Sue

 
I'm happy to remember and celebrate artists like MJ for their amazing contributions, but I am tired of the media over-hype about him. Your rundown of other past Kings of Pop is delightful.

Harrison's "All Things Must Pass" reminds us of the natural impermanence of fame (and life).
Bowie's "Rise and Fall of Ziggy Stardust and the Spiders form Mars" as well as songs, "The Bewlay Brothers" (Oh and we were gone, Kings of Oblivion), and "Fame" seem apropos, too, don't you think? 

Thank you for remembering the other Kings we've crowned along the way.

 
Posted by Sprigadoo on Friday, July 10, 2009 - 3:02 PM
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Bill

 
He saw Presley being called king of rock and roll, and in his childlike mind, thought he had to be the same.

There are no kings in music. Music is a free republic.

 
Posted by Bill on Friday, July 10, 2009 - 3:17 PM
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R_P_M

 
Where have you been ? Obviously not Ticketmaster !!!

 
Posted by R_P_M on Saturday, July 11, 2009 - 7:25 AM
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rui
rui almeida

 
Hi Mike,

what about madonna? 
u2? police? dire straits?

"king of pop" doesn't make any sense... maybe the same with "nobel prize for literature"?


cheers,


rui

 
Posted by rui on Friday, July 10, 2009 - 3:18 PM
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wordscryer

 
Good points. "King of Pop" is a silly term anyway IMO...journalistic shorthand, as in "The Next Dylan" or "The New Beatles" to compare what the current flavor of the month sounds like.
 There ought to be a solo artist or band called King(s) Of Pop - would settle the question once and for all! :)  

 
Posted by wordscryer on Friday, July 10, 2009 - 3:50 PM
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Lissa~Käthe

 
Yes all agreed Mike, I have just been having the same conversations and thoughts on MJ this past week.
I guess its just a beautiful thing that it isn't really a mandatory dictatorship vote that makes for any 'King of whatever' when it comes to musical artists, its wonderful that it is simply a moment of sheer inner delight that the 'Kings or Queens of any genre' are our heartfelt own!! for that moment in time.

I was never a fan of MJ's musical art, but always respected and admired his talent, I hope he found peace in his heart at least for a moment of his 50 years here?

Cheers Mike, there's no doubt that you have been King for a day in my world, maybe even more than once

Lissa



 
Posted by Lissa~Käthe on Friday, July 10, 2009 - 4:13 PM
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M
Emma Bentley

 
Bet you'd love Earth song :)
 
Posted by M on Friday, July 10, 2009 - 6:13 PM
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Dan

 
I couldn't agree more.  Thanks you, once again, for clearly stating the unsaid.
 
Posted by Dan on Friday, July 10, 2009 - 4:17 PM
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Stevo Music Man

 
He left a legacy like the rest you mentioned and then again so will you Mike, but don't pop off just yet - and don't live in Corby as you only have 56% chance of reaching 75 unlike Rutland down the road 83%
 
Posted by Stevo Music Man on Friday, July 10, 2009 - 4:56 PM
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MEATY

 
wicked piece of writing there mike, nail hit firmly on head & his send off was unbearable to me & my kids ,so we watched the simpsons instead  as soon as mariah scarey did a self P.R. job @ the begining ,off it went !!!
 
Posted by MEATY on Friday, July 10, 2009 - 5:19 PM
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Wirralgirl

 
It seems to be widely known that the title was a PR stunt - but it seems that MJ believed it, to the extent that he continued living the fallacy, way beyond its sell-by date. He'd known no other life since he was a small child.
He needed a life outside music -  but was probably trapped by his wealth and the paid advisors it bought, rather like Elvis.
Hinterland is a great word which I've only just appreciated, since it was used as the name of a music festival, and it's notable that musicians who last beyond the initial musical furore usually have one  - and IMO you are a really great example of that


 
Posted by Wirralgirl on Friday, July 10, 2009 - 5:19 PM
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M
Emma Bentley

 
Are you geographical Wirral ?
Can answer me privately :)
 
Posted by M on Friday, July 10, 2009 - 6:11 PM
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The KEITELS

 
James Brown.                                            (not the Loaded one)
 
Posted by The KEITELS on Friday, July 10, 2009 - 5:51 PM
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M
Emma Bentley

 
Absolutely superlative talent while his weirdness obviously can lay claim to his rather well known sad and abusive childhood. My heart has always felt for the boy man (wish he could have had a childhood)  but I dont think King of pop fits , for reasons mentioned above , but also because his journey there was publisised as under force and through sacrifice of his Childhood , esteem , id  ,health , being which isnt the best role model.
 
Posted by M on Friday, July 10, 2009 - 6:07 PM
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Michael
Michael Bugeja

 
Fully agree - Jacko was certainly King of Pop for coming up with a masterwork like Thriller - sadly I didnt think anything after that was ever as good although he still had his shining moments off and on... Unfortunately his life was the perfect (though sadly not the only) example of how shallow the media can be - propelling an artist to stardom one minute and hounding them to the ground the next, as long as it sells copies of course..it's almost like pimping but on a totally separate, warped level...

 
Posted by Michael on Friday, July 10, 2009 - 6:19 PM
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hannah

 
I agree with you about that Mike.
 
Posted by hannah on Friday, July 10, 2009 - 9:04 PM
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Scott Watson

 
Very good points. I'd like to see all the records & CD sales of said artists, too.   At least for the Prince/Jackson era in the 80's. Interesting.
 
Posted by Scott Watson on Friday, July 10, 2009 - 10:50 PM
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david
David Piwonski

 
Whilst Thriller was in deed an awesome Album, My favorite memories, and his best work, (in my opinion) was the early Jackson Five songs...."Never can say godbye" was just a fabulous song and performance by Michael. And there were A dozen of others that were equally fab. 

Having said that, I dont believe I'll be selling my Waterboys cds at the 2nd chance store to buy a Copy of Thriler and Bad...

I was looking to see where and when or even if you were going to weigh in on this.. ...as always, you  delight me
 
Posted by david on Friday, July 10, 2009 - 11:37 PM
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Shaman

 
Just to play devil's advocate a little ...
Certainly it's a contrived and silly title, but what title isn't ?
As I understand it, only the Beatles and Elvis have more record sales than MJ.
The term "King" really doesn't apply to a group, and Elvis has his "King of R&R" title.
Record sales are clearly a measure of pop culture popularity, if nothing else, so "King of Pop" seems as good a title as any.
 
Posted by Shaman on Saturday, July 11, 2009 - 12:17 AM
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Zeptepi

 
Good blog... but i think he held the 'crown' a little longer than you suggest Mike. If I remember correctly (and often I don't), wasn't Bad a massive album with about 7 hit singles?
 
Posted by Zeptepi on Saturday, July 11, 2009 - 1:03 AM
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Tym
Tim Dudley

 
You are so right...
 
Posted by Tym on Saturday, July 11, 2009 - 2:52 AM
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hazel

 
CORRECT!!
 
Posted by hazel on Saturday, July 11, 2009 - 11:18 PM
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saraHarken

 

Poor Michael. “That boy had SOUL … ‘til his old man beat it out of him!”  - from Tom Spielbauer (kid brother and jerky front man for the band Porch Builder) I just see MJ’s life (artistic & personal) as having been terribly sad and constricted.

p.s. saw the Farsi subtitles =) – ya seen the editorial on YouTube about your video?


 
Posted by saraHarken on Saturday, July 11, 2009 - 6:24 AM
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R_P_M

 
Thank you Mike, I do enjoy your writing...I thought Elvis was The King Of Rock n Roll ? Oh well, that's me being picky.

I agree about Prince tho' . He's amazing, but also a little weird, truth be told.

Keep blogging please, I always enjoy them.

 
Posted by R_P_M on Saturday, July 11, 2009 - 7:23 AM
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Anabrese

 
I don't think it's fair to call him king of shadows or weirdness.  We didn't know him personally, only the projected image of him to the public and the media have a huge part to play in that.  I think it's best to remember these individuals as immensely creative, who brought jaw dropping videos and music that was groundbreaking at the time.

 
Posted by Anabrese on Saturday, July 11, 2009 - 10:15 AM
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hazel

 
WELL SAID! X
 
Posted by hazel on Saturday, July 11, 2009 - 11:17 PM
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david
David Piwonski

 
He named his kid....Blanket.......??????......WTF...!!!!
 
Posted by david on Saturday, July 11, 2009 - 4:00 PM
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sharon

 
These titles are just  media hype. As music is so subjective, who ever is flavour of the month could be the King/Queen of pop! It's silly really...the need to create reign supreme. Only to tear down again!

As for Michael Jackson, those who are of my generation will have grown up on The Jackson 5, The Jackson and ultimately Michael solo.  I remember watching the cartoons and I remember dancing to their songs at school disco's. I was never a big fan and I have never owned a Jackson/Michael album or cd.  But give credit where credit is due. He flew a wave from the 60's onwards. That's got to stand for something.  I did watch some of the memorial and it was packed with people spanning all generations.  Regardless of what some might think, he obviously touched many, many people. (Don't bother with that one!)

 
Posted by sharon on Saturday, July 11, 2009 - 11:22 AM
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Cyril Ams

 
you re exactly right ...
the end was in late 84/85 not after (fantastic "bad Tour")
and in the end , he use to sing in play back almost all the time ...
dancing is ok but to sing ( even if he was a good singer ) is cool Toö...for the audience....

 
Posted by Cyril Ams on Saturday, July 11, 2009 - 11:54 AM
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Aurore

 
good point, and greatly explained and so justified.
i love that!

 
Posted by Aurore on Saturday, July 11, 2009 - 1:02 PM
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jack

 
OMG!   I can't belive you would say that....so you write about the same things you wrote about when you first started out?  What a narrow opinion for a musician to have!
 
Posted by jack on Saturday, July 11, 2009 - 4:25 PM
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david
David Piwonski

 
OMG !......LOL !........BFF !......WTF !!!!!
 
Posted by david on Monday, July 13, 2009 - 10:32 PM
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hazel

 
PS...AHA, A MAN WITH A MIND OF HIS OWN!!
 
Posted by hazel on Saturday, July 11, 2009 - 10:57 PM
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hazel

 
 He was a huge talent,  although a product of his unfortunate childhood  and i'm sure we all have a tale we could tell about our own  upbringings, but why can't people just say 'thanks for music michael and so sorry you're not with us any more ' instead of analysing and criticising...so many opinions...and we're all prone to a bit of wEIrdness now and then....i'm afraid i feel quite cross!!!

 
Posted by hazel on Saturday, July 11, 2009 - 10:26 PM
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M
Emma Bentley

 
Analysing and/or criticising is part of anybodys performance , any job.
We all have performance reviews at work. Its part of my daily role in my workplace.
When your in the public eye , its also part of the daily job.
So many opinions as we are so many people , who rightly have our own opinions :)
We are saying Thanks for the music , Sorry your not with us , but he has moved onwards and upwards so naturally all he gave us is celebrated by way of  conversing openly. 
Have a lovely day :)
 
Posted by M on Sunday, July 12, 2009 - 10:08 AM
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nguyen michael wesson
Wynnmichaelwessonwynnmichaelwessonwynnmichaelwesson NossewleahcimnnywnossewleahcimnnywnossewleahcimnnyW

 
yawn....get off your high horse mike....just a label don't take it so seriously...jezz!

 
Posted by nguyen michael wesson on Sunday, July 12, 2009 - 12:08 AM
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M
Emma Bentley

 
"Just a label" is not logical in this logical world. From school prefect to scholar to lords and ladies to king of pop , they all hold power whether you like it or not.
 
Posted by M on Wednesday, July 15, 2009 - 8:23 AM
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Husky

 
"High on a cliff in gorgeous clothes a madman danced on the balls of his toes
fogetting myself I fell at the feet of the greatest fool, I ever did meet" - the unsung king of raggle taggle folk rock

 
Posted by Husky on Sunday, July 12, 2009 - 9:28 AM
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Linda Loe

 
Well Mike, You've got a point and your opinion is clear. There are too many good performers to call one The King, don't bother! In this world there are many Kings, Queens and Presidents.

By the way: Michael himself has his follow-up arranged by two crown-princes.  He must have really believed he was King calling his sons Prince and Prince Michael II.

 
Posted by Linda Loe on Sunday, July 12, 2009 - 10:04 AM
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Fien

 
"King of Pop" seems to me to be an experience. One of mine crownexperiences was to hear Arcade Fire's Intervention on volume 20 in a French empty country-house.
 
Posted by Fien on Sunday, July 12, 2009 - 12:52 PM
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Gabrielle
Gabrielle Stollmann

 
Yes, it's a strange thing with titles. I think Elvis Presley was definitely called King of Rock 'n Roll when he died. At that time I had not even realized that he had been a King of anything. But I very well remember when the media reported about his death, they showed a picture of Mick Jagger with a crown on his head, at that time following Presley in his position as "King". I wonder on what grounds the media call a musician a King. Is it the sales figures of his albums? They only show the preference of the general public as to a certain style of music. Maybe the archaic idea of having a King is what people really like without wanting to admit it. These musical "kingdoms" are very limited and they may change very quickly if people change their minds or if musicians change their style of music and the fan do not longer follow them. 

 
Posted by Gabrielle on Monday, July 13, 2009 - 7:36 AM
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Jules

 
You disallow Elvis his spectacular late 60s return to form.  He may not have regained the throne, but to paint his post-army career as one long fade out is to do him a diservice.

Jules
 
Posted by Jules on Monday, July 13, 2009 - 7:55 AM
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wordscryer

 
There are at least couple of candidates for the 'King Of Pop' title that predate even Sinatra: Rudy Vallee & Bing Crosby. Vallee was the first of the 'crooners' 1920s, early '30s specifically; 'crooning' was a softer style of singing well suited to ballads; his famous trademark singing through a megaphone developed from that.  Bing Crosby: not far in his wake, 1930s, a crooner as well as other singing styles,  plus he was hugely popular in the movies through the '40s & '50s (esp. with Bob Hope in that series of 'Road to....' films.)

Another even earlier case may be said for Al Jolson through the early 1910s-20s, prior to his role in the 'talkie' The Jazz Singer, although his success was mostly on American shores.

It goes to show, as you have written, 'King Of Pop' has not been an exclusive title!
 
Posted by wordscryer on Monday, July 13, 2009 - 3:23 PM
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Mike & Joolz
Mike Joolz

 
Who cares?
 
Posted by Mike & Joolz on Friday, July 17, 2009 - 7:45 PM
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Kathy

 
In spite of all the outrageous antics, the promise of his youth and the loneliness of his existance, at the end of his life, did any of it matter? He could have created music without and audience and basked in the love of his children...that should have been enough for him.
I guess I don't know what the point is I"m trying to make. I hear Michael Jackson's name and I associate it with loss, waste and excess.

 
Posted by Kathy on Saturday, July 18, 2009 - 4:57 PM
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Paula
paula Kydd

 
Pop is for me such a hard word to compare an artist to for instance I never would of thought Prince pop, that is probably a really stupid thing to say, to me MJ had a couple of songs that I tapped my foot to and the Earth song i felt was quite emotional not pop as for who is the title king of pop if his PR had to ask journalists to use that title then it is a shallow title and is king of pop such a complement.

 
Posted by Paula on Saturday, July 25, 2009 - 10:21 PM
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The Scuttlers

 
I REMEMBER MICHAEL AS THE LITTLE PRICE WHEN I SAW HIM IN AUSTRALIA IN 1972
IT WAS MY FIRST CONCERT
I WAS 11, HE MUST HAVE BEEN MAYBEE 12
 
HOW SWEET IT WAS
HOW SAD     IT SAW

 
Posted by The Scuttlers on Sunday, July 26, 2009 - 4:50 AM
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Steiner62

 
Agreed...

 
Posted by Steiner62 on Friday, August 14, 2009 - 11:28 AM
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