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Tuesday, April 21, 2009 
Things That Were Never Meant For Me To See...



...I FINALLY saw.



Yup, been doing more rooting through old,
previously unwatched video-tapes, and I came
up with two--you should pardon the expression--gems
these last couple of nights (both made for
me, long ago, by a close buddy--thanks big
guy!! Can "Black Adder" be very
far over the horizon now?...)



First into the VCR was the ill-fated 1994
"Fantastic Four" movie that was
never released. (For the curious, this page does an admirable job summarizing
the whole sorry situation, and then some
). Produced purely to maintain the rights
to Marvel's oldest family, with apparently
no intention of EVER seeing the light of
day--a salient fact that was kept from the
actors, director, crew, and--he'd have you
believe--even hired gun producer Roger Corman
himself--what you have is one of the cheapest
looking movies you're EVER likely to see!!




But is it WORTH the seeing?



I'd say have to say yes, but with reservations.
The special effects are almost nonexistent
and the script is simply pedestrian. Despite
these flaws, the filmmakers do a decent job
of capturing the comics series proper spirit
(even if the scene, pre-rocket launch, in
which Sue and Johnny's mom dubs the quartet
"The Fantastic Four:" for no discernible
reason, IS cringe-worthy). When I mentioned
that I'd seen this flick recently over on
my Facebook page, a LOT of positive comments
came in from folks, some even preferring
it to the later, big-budget version!! I'm
not prepared to go THAT far, but I will say
I thought that their Dr. Doom. looked truer
to the comics version that his latter day
doppelganger (though the decision to record
the actors lines while wearing that metal
mask was, in the final analysis, the wrong
one. Or as Reed might've said to Doc in the
heat of battle, "What? WHAT did you
say? Could you repeat that threat, please?...").
And look, I LOVE Jessica Alba, honest, but
Rebecca Staab looks EXACTLY the way Jack
Kirby drew Sue Storm (even if she and the
rest of the group were wearing the John Byrne
designed outfits...).



It's a fun curio--and the very last image
is a true hoot! It's just as well it was
never released, though, as it might well've
killed the audience's potential appetite
for any future FF flicks.



And speaking of appetites...




Did you know there was a two hour pilot made
for a proposed "Justice League of America
" series back in 1997? And that, from
what I've been able to ascertain looking
around the 'net, unlike the relatively warmly
received FF movie, THIS unreleased piece
of cinema is basically reviled? Yup, it's
true.



But for all it's faults--and there are many--i
found it just as entertaining, and maybe
even a smidgen bit more so, than the FF flick.
I can see why fans didn't like it, though,
as it strays way, WAY far away from the source
material. Guy Gardner is Green Lantern, for
instance, but while he's outfitted in Guy's
costume, his mask--and his persona--come
directly from Kyle Rayner. Barry Allen is
The Flash--but this isn't any Barry Allen
WE'VE ever seen in the comics. And while
this production is much spiffier than the
FF one--and the special effects marginally
better--the costumes are just plain awful!!
Fire and Ice, the two female members--and
unassailable evidence that the producers
were attempting to emulate the light-hearted
Giffen/DeMatteis JLA era--pass muster, clotheswise
(two attractive women in skin tight outfits--tough
to botch THAT up!), but the male members
range from barely passable (GL), mostly right
with key elements way wrong (The Flash's
mask and gloves), to impossibly dorky looking
(The Atom). David Ogden Stiers as J'onn J'onnz
actually looks fairly decent--until the camera
catches a sideways silhouette of him! From
MASH to mashed potatoes--way. WAY too many
mashed potatoes, apparently!!



Storywise, the plot revolves around what
is more or less the origin and induction
into the League of Ice (she's decked out
in costume only briefly, in the show's final
seconds) as the group takes on the mysterious
Weather Man. Interspersed throughout are
interview clips with the various members,
making pithy observations on their day-to-day
lives as super-heroes. Truth to tell, I thought
this added quite a bit of personality to
the proceedings and liked the conceit quite
a bit. There were even some mildly witty
lines sprinkled throughout these segments,
and combined with the fairly decent acting
(particularly from the thespians portraying
Ice, Ray Palmer, and big-browed Green Stiers
himself (though if you look closely, his
neck is continually in need of a tad more
emerald make-up...)). I can see where this
may not've been the best direction for a
JLA telefilm to head in, but--aside from
those truly horrendous outfits--it's a mildly
interesting approach. it sure made me appreciate
the Ice character far more than I ever had
before, that's for sure!!



Anyway, that's the way I feel about things.
If you wanna judge for yourself, well, no
need to scrounge up an overpriced bootleg
copy of either previously suppressed super-hero
epic--merely go look for YOURSELF!! (Yup
that means YOU, John Firehammer!) BOTH of 'em are are on the YouTube!; links
to follow...




JLA TV pilot 1997 Part 1



JLA TV pilot 1997 Part 2

JLA TV pilot 1997 Part 3


JLA TV pilot 1997 Part 4


JLA TV pilot 1997 Part 5


JLA TV pilot 1997 Part 6


JLA TV pilot 1997 Part 7

JLA TV pilot 1997 Part 8


JLA TV pilot 1997 Part 9





Fantastic Four 1994 Part 1



Fantastic Four 1994 Part 2


Fantastic Four 1994 Part 3


Fantastic Four 1994 Part 4


Fantastic Four 1994 Part 5

Fantastic Four 1994 Part 6

Fantastic Four 1994 Part 7


Fantastic Four 1994 Part 8


Fantastic Four 1994 Part 9




Enjoy! (Well, if you can...)


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Scott
Scott Coakley

 
I actually have the FF bomb on bootleg VHS, though I've only actually watched the first 15 minutes or so...

About a week after I first bought it (Pittsburgh ComiCon 1999 or 2000), I took it with me to the every-other-Saturday anime night held by a few friends...basically an MST3K atmosphere, so the cheesier something is, the better

This was so bad that after just fifteen minutes, we were all begging for it to be turned off...usually in that situation, our host will leave the subject video on, as "friendly torture"...this was so bad, he actually complied!

I've seen a few screencaps of the JLA pilot, though no footage...I have a feeling that this would go over just as well with the group...

*evil thoughts of "must find tape or DVD..."*
 
Posted by Scott on Tuesday, April 21, 2009 - 3:22 AM
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The International Norbert Conspiracy
Vinnie Bartilucci

 
John Kassir (The Crypt Keeper, and emergency back-up Buster Bunny) as The Atom. David (Numthreers) Krumholz is in it, so that's aplus. But all told - ecch.




You wanna look for a pilot, seek the Remo Williams pilot, with Roddy McDowall as Chiun (pulled it off) and story based on Will Murray's first Destroyer novela, "The Day Remo Died". Worked very well.

 
Posted by The International Norbert Conspiracy on Tuesday, April 21, 2009 - 3:39 AM
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Russ the Rab
Curt Russell

 
I've never seen the JLA thing, but a "friend" gave me a copy of the FF movie 11 years ago. What a hoot! My youngest son watched it everyday for at least 2 months. It's funny to hear a 2 year old run around and yell "IT"S CLOBBERIN" TIME". I think my favorite part was the "stars" all seemed to be related to other people more famous.

 
Posted by Russ the Rab on Tuesday, April 21, 2009 - 10:53 AM
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X-Ray Man

 
I enjoyed the film. All things considered, I think they did well with the Thing.

 
Posted by X-Ray Man on Tuesday, April 21, 2009 - 2:11 PM
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Roadkill Valley
Jefferson Gehlker

 
I would kill for a copy of the old Fantastic Flop! I'm something of a hoarder and would love that in my collection.

 
Posted by Roadkill Valley on Tuesday, April 21, 2009 - 11:20 PM
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Melvin
Melvin Bradley

 
iI prefer the 1994 movie Von Doom to that canned electro-ham in the new ones...Gah.

 
Posted by Melvin on Wednesday, April 22, 2009 - 12:02 AM
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The Dominion Hub
Dominic Guglieme

 

I find that much of the appeal for the videos you described comes form the fact you are not supposed to see them.


Anyone remember that 1970s "Justice League" show, with ~40 year old Burt Ward as Robin?

Dom
 
 
Posted by The Dominion Hub on Wednesday, April 22, 2009 - 8:40 PM
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Jim Salicrup
Jim Salicrup

 
I forgot or never knew about the JLA pilot. I have the FF movie on tape, maybe I'll finally watch it.

 
 
Posted by Jim Salicrup on Thursday, April 23, 2009 - 8:50 PM
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Mountain Empire Comics
Mountain Empire Robert Pilk

 
I too rather enjoyed the FF movie - Rebecca Staab is the far superior Sue Storm and the actors playing Reed and Ben weren't bad either. Johnny was another story. And they stayed pretty close to the comic book origin too.
Had there been a bigger SFX budget, who knows?
 
 
Posted by Mountain Empire Comics on Friday, April 24, 2009 - 12:11 AM
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