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anthony Ross


Last Updated: 12/1/2009

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February 16, 2009 - Monday 

Category: Religion and Philosophy
So bored, I'm reading the bible.

Came across this gem that I felt neccessary to share with you all:

 Judges 11:29-40

Then
the Spirit of the LORD came upon Jephthah. He crossed Gilead and
Manasseh, passed through Mizpah of Gilead, and from there he advanced
against the Ammonites. And Jephthah made a vow to the LORD: "If you
give the Ammonites into my hands, whatever comes out of the door of my
house to meet me when I return in triumph from the Ammonites will be
the Lord's, and I will sacrifice it as a burnt offering." Then Jephthah
went over to fight the Ammonites, and the LORD gave them into his
hands. He devastated twenty towns from Aroer to the vicinity of
Minnith, as far as Abel Keramim. Thus Israel subdued Ammon. When
Jephthah returned to his home in Mizpah, who should come out to meet
him but his daughter, dancing to the sound of tambourines! She was an
only child. Except for her he had neither son nor daughter. When he saw
her, he tore his clothes and cried, "Oh! My daughter! You have made me
miserable and wretched, because I have made a vow to the LORD that I
cannot break." "My father," she replied, "you have given your word to
the LORD. Do to me just as you promised, now that the LORD has avenged
you of your enemies, the Ammonites. But grant me this one request," she
said. "Give me two months to roam the hills and weep with my friends,
because I will never marry." "You may go," he said. And he let her go
for two months. She and the girls went into the hills and wept because
she would never marry. After the two months, she returned to her father
and he did to her as he had vowed. And she was a virgin. From this
comes the Israelite custom that each year the young women of Israel go
out for four days to commemorate the daughter of Jephthah the Gileadite.



Anyone up for discussion? I'm personally disgusted. How can anyone support this sickening shit?


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J

 
I have read both old and new testaments, and I have to say, there is some crazy stuff throughout!!! That's why I have to wonder what planet someone comes from when they quote the Koran and claims disgust.
Incredible!
 
Posted by J on February 16, 2009 - Monday - 6:42 PM
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smokeyjoe

 
Hi Baiser, d'you think anyone will comment in support of this nonsense? boy i hope not.
cheers, sj
 
Posted by smokeyjoe on February 17, 2009 - Tuesday - 8:35 AM
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Mark J.A.

 
Yep, pretty damn sick!
 
Posted by Mark J.A. on February 17, 2009 - Tuesday - 3:41 PM
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uglygirl

 
I'm a little rusty on my biblical interpretation but here goes...
The old testament was a "record" of the history, poetry, law, etc. prior to Christ. Of course, throughout the Bible, that which was "spoken" by God was filtered through human experience and interpretation even before it was literally interpreted from one language into the others. If you read the text in its original languages (tough since many are dead), or study all the possible meanings of key words and phrases in their context...you get a whole different story in some cases. But that is a completely different discussion.

In any case, lets say this is a story that was recorded to document the old law. The New Testament is a record of the new law and a new covenant with God. Christ made the need for human sacrifice null and void with his crucifixion.

Humans have always been nasty, and have justified their actions throughout history with religious explanations (christians, muslims, etc.).

EW.

 
Posted by uglygirl on February 17, 2009 - Tuesday - 3:51 PM
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♣Baisers Sucrés♣
anthony Ross

 
I hear you, but isnt this story a true testament to the nature of "god"?

If this "god" was just, and good, wouldnt he give him a pass like he did for abraham?
 
Posted by ♣Baisers Sucrés♣ on February 17, 2009 - Tuesday - 7:50 PM
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uglygirl

 
a book you will find interesting: The Problem of Pain, by C.S. Lewis. I have the utmost respect for Mr. Lewis, because he studied and practiced nearly every possible theology prior to "Christianity" (Surprised by Joy is that story, i highly highly recommend both). I don't know that The Problem of Pain specifically addresses OT incidents such as this; and it is a pretty dense read; but it may answer your questions about the nature of god in relation to human suffering better than I can.


My Random, Semi-Uninformed, and Incomplete Argument (because I don't have an actual answer and I don't actually like "bible god" very much):

Does the need for sacrifice itself speak only to the nature of "god", or does it also speak to the nature of human beings at that time? The circumstances and the psychology of the people in general in biblical times is entirely different than now. I can't tell you exactly how the difference might bring about the idea/need to sacrifice, but it is one possible factor.


to get really nitpicky: if one is to take in account that this god is "divine" (i.e.
not human), then before arguing "justice" and "goodness" one must acknowledge:
1. the descriptors "just" and "good" are english words. as i mentioned in my first response-it is not an english text. if one were to study the original text, the words used may not actually encapsulate the modern english meanings of "just" and "good"; human interpretation may have mucked this up.


2. divinity is not humanity. japanese is not english. in India, there is no word that only means "dance" or "drama", there is no difference between the two. as we cannot always understand divine nature, we should not always understand divine "language" or "intent"- if there is a divine god, perhaps the divine "justice" includes other meanings that we do not naturally conceive as belonging to that definition.


I promise you, C.S. Lewis will provide you with a much better argument than this agnostic. But I needed a little brain excersize...


 
Posted by uglygirl on February 18, 2009 - Wednesday - 7:17 PM
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History + Knowledge.
Lucius Greinke

 
It's funny how Christian People will speak ill of the sodomites... and yet forget things like this.....

Hell In genesis.... i believe there was one guy who just slept with Niece because he could.....


 
Posted by History + Knowledge. on February 17, 2009 - Tuesday - 7:18 PM
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Lady_Hart

 
lol I've been bored, but NEVER that bored. Well thats a lie, I was bored when I was young. Read that book so much I could quote it. Never believed any of it tho.

 
Posted by Lady_Hart on February 18, 2009 - Wednesday - 6:12 AM
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Wado

 
Can't say I can comment as the Bible gives me a headache! ;)
 
Posted by Wado on February 18, 2009 - Wednesday - 4:27 PM
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AMBELLINA
Amber Tucker

 
Wow. That's just. Wow.


I don't remember ever coming across that verse while reading the bible, but I had an awfully hard time paying attention because that book is so boring.

 
Posted by AMBELLINA on February 19, 2009 - Thursday - 3:16 PM
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pack'm 'n stack'm

 
I think the lesson to take from this is... careful what you ask for and be careful what you're willing to do to get it.

 
Posted by pack'm 'n stack'm on February 19, 2009 - Thursday - 10:50 PM
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Dr. Cobra

 
OUCH! Appalling.

 
Posted by Dr. Cobra on February 26, 2009 - Thursday - 5:08 AM
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Ekyrt

 
This reminds me of an old bedtime story. I like poopy.

 
Posted by Ekyrt on March 18, 2009 - Wednesday - 7:07 PM
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