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Sunday, December 16, 2007 

Current mood:  cynical
Category: Blogging

Ah, the dream of being a rock-n-roll icon. You've formed your own band. You've worked very hard developing your craft. Your art needs to be heard. You must bring it to the public. Where do you go? You consider several options. Coffee houses, bars, school talent shows, parties, etc. You'll play your music anywhere and for any price. You're an artist and the art is what needs to be heard, seen, and experienced. You don't care about money (not yet) because in the world of an artist the experience is to be shared (or shown off, depending on the degree of the artist). And there must be plenty of places that want to promote your art. After all, they all say that they promote the local arts. They wouldn't lie…would they?


Welcome to the local gig ticket scam. You too can perform at a legendary club or venue. All you have to do is sell X amount of tickets…25, 30, 50. They'll be $10 or more each, but you'll get to keep $2 of each ticket sold. You'll be performing with 4 or 5 other bands, so the club will be packed. You'll gain an immediate following of ravenous fans. And did we mention, you'll be performing at a legendary venue? This could mean instant success. You better do this, because you'll only have one chance. Did we forget to tell you that if you don't sell your quota, you may not be able to perform or may have to pay us the balance of the money for those tickets? Don't blow it. Sell, sell, sell! This is your career on the line!


You probably can guess by now that I'm being extremely sarcastic. But this scam has been going on for years and it continues today. And it's getting much worse. Musicians and other artists are so willing to play that they get suckered in by these deals. In most cases, they're told that you have to play the game in order to be successful. Most performers I know (myself included – and I know myself pretty well) have had to deal with this. Eventually, they get wise and move on, booking themselves in venues that pay them for their services or perform for free for the fun of it. But you "promoters" don't worry. There will be plenty of more young bands you can prey upon. And in a few years, when they figure out that these gigs don't bring success, they'll move on and you can rip off some even younger bands.


I guess this sounds a little cynical. I understand that these venues are running businesses and need to make money. But so do the artists. I used quotation marks on "promoters", because I don't know too many that call themselves this that actually promote. They are hired by a venue to bring business into an establishment. They, in turn, contact acts (or the acts contact them) and are told to sell a quota of tickets. The acts actually do the promoting but only get paid 1/5 or less of the money for doing so. They are told to bring all of their friends…try keeping this up on a weekly basis, or even a monthly one. They are told that they will gain new fans because the club will be packed with all of the bands friends. Did you ever notice at these shows that once and band finishes their set most of their fans leave. If they do stick around, it's rare that they will become fans of your act anyway either because of loyalty to "their" band or because they just don't care. And try gaining new fans when you're a pop band put on a bill with heavy metal acts. Eventually, you'll bug your friends so much about buying tickets to your shows that they'll get annoyed and you'll end up losing fans. Remember, you're no longer an artist/performer. You're a salesperson now.


And then comes your "one" shot for success. If you don't sell enough for the club, the so called promoter may become very angry (because he or she may eventually get fired). They may bump you. They might even demand you pay them the balance of ticket money owed. And you'll do it because you want to play the club again…the legendary venue. (I'd just laugh in their face). Why, if these venues are so legendary, does no one show up at them unless you drag your friends or people off the street to fill them? The sports bars are packed and there's no entertainment there (that's a whole other blog). 


But what really pisses me off is that these venues say that they promote local music. There are truly some places that do. Some even lose money trying to lift the artistic scene to new levels. I applaud them. But too many other establishments prey on musician's yearning for artistic success or attention under the guise of promoting art. That just isn't right. The funny thing is that many former musicians (and current ones) pull this scam on others as it was done to them previously. They know it's wrong, but they continue to try to make a buck out of it.


It's sad that this practice will continue. Artists have a need to share their art, so they will always sell themselves short. I hope it just doesn't get to the point of having to pay every time you play. It could go that way, as now smaller bars and even certain coffee houses are getting in on the act. There is a possible solution, and I do say possible. Maybe if musicians and artists perform at places that truly appreciate what they are doing and shy away from the "local ticket gigs"…maybe then those venues may change their stance. And I'm not saying to totally boycott those places. Sometimes, you do need a high profile gig. Say, for example, a CD release party or opening for a major act. But when artists do the local band ticket gig shows on a regular basis, they just perpetuate the problem.


Now will these clubs and venues boycott me for writing this blog? They may. But then again, they haven't done anything for my career anyway…and I've been around for more than a little while. And yes, I have fallen for the scam too. But if there are no other places left to play, I'll just throw a party at my house and perform there – FOR FREE. I told you I'd find a way. True art lives if you want it to!

 

Don Lee

Majnun

 
hahahahaha....death to the profiteers!!
 
Posted by Majnun on Monday, December 17, 2007 - 8:09 AM
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Eric Ginsberg

 
I love you.
I love this blog.
I love lamp.

I've thought (and preached) the same thing a thousand times. Thank you for articulating it. You let me know when the music party is, and I'll be there.
 
Posted by Eric Ginsberg on Monday, December 17, 2007 - 8:09 AM
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Lil Muppet Love

 
there is a way - i believe in it. i believe it is out there.

remember a long time ago when venues had to promote their venue to get people in the door? now it seems they wont even put out a flyer about what is going on. also, as a alcohol appreciator, there are RARE drink specials..
..now there is a reason for me to go to Don Lee's house with a some friends instead of a club/coffeehouse.

lets brainstorm, we can be the change
 
Posted by Lil Muppet Love on Monday, December 17, 2007 - 8:10 AM
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Scotty B™
Scott Bills

 
well as where i do see some points in your blog because some places and promoters dont promote, i dont completely agree with what youre saying. take the stone pony for instance. just to open that club for one night costs a shit load. to pay security of about 4 to 5 men is about 300 bucks right there and they stay all night. sound man is about 100 a night so ur up to 400 and dont forget 50 to the door person. ok so 450. thats not even incuding the mortgage or electric for the night. so we will ballpark it at about 800 an night after all the bills. now all these people work all night and the band plays for like an hour if that. most bands wont sell more than 20 tickets and you RARELY get a night where all 5 bands sell over 50 so after the band gets 2 bucks off every ticket and the stone pony is 3 bucks. thats 150 dollars to play for about 45 min. for a 5 piece band thats like working for 27 bucks an hour and leaving 15 min early. i am in a local band and its not only the promoters job to promote. it is also the bands. you sell tickets to show clubs like the pony how hard u can work. then they will eventually put u on a national majior act and then the pony will tell the national management or record lable how hard that local band thats is playing works and then the lable will come up and talk to you but a lot of the little kid bands think that their music is all they need. no no my friends the music buisness is exactly that.... a buisness. there are a lot of shady people in this buisness but you taste tha sour before you can apreciate the sweet. all in all youre right but youre not seeing it through the eyes of the "promoter" or club owner.

later don i promise i will come check out one of ur shows real soon im sorry i have been crazy busy man but i promise ill be there at a few. later man
 
Posted by Scotty B™ on Monday, December 17, 2007 - 8:10 AM
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A J Stone

 
Great blog Don. I echo your sentiments.
 
Posted by A J Stone on Monday, December 17, 2007 - 8:11 AM
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The Northway

 
Right On!
 
Posted by The Northway on Monday, December 17, 2007 - 8:11 AM
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MICHAEL BRETT

 
Mr. Don Lee,
Well-written. Thanks for writing this. In other words, thanks for writing the truth and standing up to "the man". This is partly why i don't play certain venues anymore. And why I refuse to kiss the ass of "the man". (And why I'll probably never win any "career-changing" local music awards). What a f**king scam!
If you throw a party at your house, I'd be honored to play, too. Good for you.
Respect,
MB
 
Posted by MICHAEL BRETT on Monday, December 17, 2007 - 8:13 AM
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LurchyMusic

 
Hi Don,

I'm sorry you are still experiencing this problem... This was a big issue in the 80's as well, as I'm sure you are aware... The 'pay-to-play' scam was surfacing and bands in L.A. were falling in line and it threatened to rear its ugly head over here... well, all of us revolted - big time...! But clubs like Studio One in Newark found another way... they booked up to 20 bands a night and short counted everybody except the headliner, who got all the money... The headliner was usually a big draw or famous band... We even had one scam where they set up a quota system... 1-50 people gets you a percentage of each ticket price, 51-75 gets you NOTHING!, 76- 100 gets you the previous percentage plus 1 point, 101- 125 gets you NOTHING!... and other silly shit like that... Or even complicated schemes that you would have to have a degree in calculus to figure out... which was the idea - the musicians wouldn't challenge the scam for fear of looking stupid... We've been through it all too... That's why I feel now that every show for a band should be a special event... Once or twice a year only... on holidays etc... Unless you are a paid wedding band, or an in-demand, high-profile, on-the-rise, professional act, don't bother dragging your friends out to see you play every weekend... Let them drag you out if they want to see you...!
I am getting heard, and having greater success for exposure on the internet than all my years of gigging out locally combined...!

Good Luck and Be Well,
Steve
SF

"I boogied in the kitchen,
and I boogied in the hall;
I boogied on my finger,
and I wiped it on dee wall...!"
- Chuck Berry
 
Posted by LurchyMusic on Monday, December 17, 2007 - 8:17 AM
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LurchyMusic

 
In response to Scotty B's comment -

I also worked for a club in East Orange which will remain nameless back in the 80's, and the owner I worked for was genuinely concerned with running a profitable club, and supporting his family, but also with treating all of his employees fairly, which included all the bands that came to play... I saw and worked with a lot of bands that came through there, and a lot of them were gentlemen and professionals, but a lot of them were also primadonna's with bad attitudes, and nasty manners, and they thought that they were the livin' end, and that that gave them the right to destroy the dressing rooms, and the bathrooms, and whatever else they got their hands on... Needless to say eventually, he couldn't stay in business... He thought about the pay-to-play thing, but didn't think it was a good business model... I think there is a good business model out there for this area waiting to be discovered... Remember, when the Blues Brothers showed up at "Bob's Country Bunker", it was already packed in...!

Steve
SF
 
Posted by LurchyMusic on Tuesday, December 18, 2007 - 11:48 PM
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Gil Velazquez

 
Don

The nail on the head...

Keep rockin dude!
 
Posted by Gil Velazquez on Wednesday, December 19, 2007 - 1:12 PM
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JARMO

 
Very well said!Dealing with the public i hate when someones tries to intimidate me so It will be a good one if & when the time comes I have to deal with unscrupulous owners.It's all about the music ,Havin a good time & seeing a smile, a foot tappin or someone singin with ya.Thats always the 1st priority in my book!
 
Posted by JARMO on Wednesday, December 19, 2007 - 1:13 PM
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Alex

 
Rock on Don, brilliant writing. We all know the names of the companies and venues that hurt local art by trying to turn a quick buck. This is a problem that has been plaguing the struggling artists for years. I remember first being a victim to it in high school and it's only gotten worse over the years. These are the kind of scenarios where other artists are the only ones who can help each other.
 
Posted by Alex on Saturday, January 05, 2008 - 10:28 PM
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A J Stone

 
Hey Don, I was thinking about your bog, yes, even after all this time, and I dug up this old email. Some of us have been contacted by the 169 Bar in NYC and some of you have even played there.
I was interested until I read this pay structure:

"Hello!

Here are all the details for booking a show. If you have any questions/preferences/concerns, please let me know.


****PLEASE READ THE FOLLOWING- VERY IMPORTANT: All artists are screened and booked based on quality. However, The 169 Bar does not have a built-in crowd, so it is extremely important that you can bring a following. If you cannot, please do not book a show. Thank you.
****

Venue:

169 Bar
169 E Broadway (between Rutgers and Jefferson St)
NY, NY 10002
Take the F Train to E Broadway

Set time: Sets are a half hour. We ask that you can bring 25-30 people. {Note: Set times are negotiable. We offer longer sets on the weekdays, just as long as you can bring your following. So if you need a longer set, please let me know.
}

Pay: The cover is $7 on weekdays and $10 Fridays. We have a 10 person minimum, and if you reach it, you will be paid 40% of your total cover.The 169 Bar is a 21+ venue. All Performers must be at least 21 years old.


Volume has to work with the room and it can't be very loud. The room is best for singer/songwriters, jazz acts, and acoustic acts.


Please arrive at least 45 minutes before your set. If you are going to be late or something happens and you are not going to make it on time or at all, please call XXX-XXX-XXXX.


*** (phone number removed by me - ~AJS~) ***

If everything looks good to you, go ahead and respond with your preferred date/time, your preferred set time, your artist name, number, email, and website link.
:)"

This was followed by a list of available dates. So if my math is right (I make no promises), if I brought 10 people on a Friday I would get $40 out of the $100 those people paid in cover charges, if I brought 25 people I would get $100 out of the $250 in cover charges. The bar gets $150 just for those 25 people walking in the door, PLUS whatever they drink! Pretty sweet deal for them don't you think? Just thought it was pertinent.

AJ
 
Posted by A J Stone on Wednesday, April 16, 2008 - 3:56 AM
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Twisted Tree Cafe

 
We'll never make you pay to play. And we'll always pay in coffee and muffins. LOL.

 
Posted by Twisted Tree Cafe on Saturday, April 26, 2008 - 1:44 PM
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