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Justin bin Cliburn al Lawton

Justin C. Cliburn


Last Updated: 11/19/2009

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Gender: Male
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Age: 27
Sign: Capricorn

City: Lawton
State: Oklahoma
Country: US

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Monday, March 03, 2008 
I just got home from Springfield, Missouri, where I spoke to the Peace Network of the Ozarks.  I had never been to Springfield and had no idea what to expect.  The man coordinating the event seemed enthusiastic enough and he assured me that there would be a lot of support present, but you never know how people define support and community.  I was pleasantly surprised by what I experienced this weekend.  The turnout was not as high as it could have been in a perfect world, but it certainly was not an empty room. 

What I felt and saw in that building Saturday afternoon was a sense of community and support that I have yet to feel in Oklahoma.  I have met some amazing people in the Oklahoma anti-war community, but I have never felt as if I was a member of that community.  It is more of a feeling that I imagine exists between colleagues: we aim to achieve the same goals; we went through the same training or conscientious transformation; we sometimes work together, not quite partners but not quite competitors.  From the moment I sat down with the men and women of the PNO, I felt like I was a member of their community; we were truly partners. 

Why this hasn't been the case is a loaded question with many different answers, but I have no idea which one is even remotely correct.  In an effort to try and conceptualize what the problems could be and I how I can fix them, I am going to think out loud and brainstorm a little:

Perhaps I have not been assertive enough when it comes to gaining support for IVAW and our goals in Oklahoma.  It is entirely possible that, while the Oklahoma peace community and I genuinely share a common goal, there is something lost in translation that results in each of us doing different things and thinking we are on the same page.  It is apparent to me now that we are not on the same proverbial page.  In Springfield and other places I have been, I am simply asked, "What does IVAW need the most?  How can we help you?"  It's a very fluid communication process that results in much greater gains in those other areas of the country. 

I would like to say that the problem here is that there is a top-down communicative approach between the established peace community in Oklahoma and the new generation of IVAW members who also want to end this bloody war.  That is not the case.  I am not even included on the email listservs of the peace networks here; I have no idea what is going on.  Not that I would ever want to overstate my "importance", but I am the most active IVAW member in Oklahoma.  I am on the listservs for peace networks from the Delaware Valley to Houston to New Orleans to Vietnam Veterans Against the War.  I did not ask to be included on any of these; it was understood that I need to be in the loop if I am going to be effective in coordinating with these organizations.  So, we have established that communication is a problem.  I was going to email the head of the Oklahoma peace community about this, but I have, in the past, sent several emails that were never given a reply.  Maybe, if I can effectively communicate my disappointment and frustration with how things are being handled, we can re-establish our relationship as allies and this will all look silly when I look back on it later. 

We do have a dedicated group of anti-war activists in Oklahoma, particularly Oklahoma City.  That much is certain, and I appreciate and admire the work they have done over all the years that I was either unborn, unexposed, or uncaring.  That is why I am disappointed: I see the potential of a true partnership of OKC VFP, Peacehouse, and Oklahoma IVAW.  IVAW is conducting Winter Soldier: Iraq and Afghanistan in two weeks in the Washington DC area.  This will be a truly historic event modeled after the original Winter Soldier hearings that shed light on the criminal nature of the Vietnam War in 1971.  This is big.  With such a dedicated, entrenched peace community in Oklahoma, I had expected to have a flood of ideas coming my way as to how Oklahoma can help IVAW members publicize and attend Winter Soldier, as well as how they could turn Winter Soldier into something that Oklahoma City couldn't help but know about.  I have heard nothing.  I have emailed; still nothing.  Meanwhile, I know that the community is not sitting around on their hands.  They are doing what they genuinely believe to be what is necessary to bring about peace, but I could not disagree with their assessment of priorities more, no matter what else it is they are pursuing right now.  Winter Soldier is two weeks away.  History is two weeks away, but without a network of committed activists in Oklahoma helping publicize it, no one here will ever know what they are missing. 

I hope to have not rambled too much or spoken out of turn, but these are the honest feelings of a young, passionate, disappointed man following his heart and feeling, at times, alone on the path.

Justin C. Cliburn
hippiechicky

 
I like it, and I think it pretty much summed up the weekend in general. Having an inolved community is extremely important in getting things going, maybe Oklahoma will listen up, after all, we all want the same outcome and we are all working for the same goal. I sort of felt the same way at the SOA when some were acting "whiny" about people moving around in the crowd. They were moving around because they were working for the very people that put the entire program on. I actually asked my brother, "Aren't we all here for the same reason?" He replied, "Yeah, nice hummm..." It gets aggravating, but remembering that everyone is there for the same reason sometimes makes it better!
 
Posted by hippiechicky on Monday, March 03, 2008 - 3:27 AM
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christinA™
Christina Shane

 
there is a lot to say about this. I know that after being actively involved in the anti war movement in Las Vegas there are a few things that can create conflict. Clearly the mission is to end the war and of course, communications are the key part of organizing. I know one of the problems we faced here was the difference in ideology. We forget our common goals. There is a quote from Chairman Mao about unity struggle unity. You are united under a common goal, you struggle (meaning debate and critically think about your differences) but you remain united in your common goal. At least that's the interpretation I got out of it. anywho. Are you connected with Indymedia? the main website is www.indymedia.org and OKlahoma has their own site www.okimc.com that's linked with indymedia. You should post on there too. I believe its based out of OKC. Don't feel discouraged, you are doing great things!
 
Posted by christinA™ on Monday, March 03, 2008 - 6:41 AM
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McNastee - 13% - THE INK!

 
Have any news agencies been contacted about the hearings?

This is how I've always felt the Oklahomans are on all things, even the music community. Everyone says they are there for a common goal, but go about pursuing it by their own means, or means that would be most beneficial to them. I'm not insinuating the course of the Anti-War/Peace community is the same, because the goal is much broader and can have a positive impact on the world as a whole. It would be selfish and counterproductive to the cause for one group to want to take credit for bringing about policy change and the end of the war.
 
Posted by McNastee - 13% - THE INK! on Monday, March 03, 2008 - 2:10 PM
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Justin bin Cliburn al Lawton
Justin C. Cliburn

 
WS has been publicized a lot. I'm about to send out some press releases to more local media with the help of a friend in the community.

This may just be indicative of Oklahoma as a whole. It's why our parks and community centers are so meager (at least in Lawton.)
 
Posted by Justin bin Cliburn al Lawton on Monday, March 03, 2008 - 3:04 PM
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James Matthew
J.M. Branum

 
You're dead on the money in your criticisms.

BTW, I've linked to this post at: http://jmbzine.com/2008/03/14/a-local-ivaw-member-liveblogs-about-winter-soldier-also-thoughts-about-the-lack-of-support-in-ok-for-ivaw/
 
Posted by James Matthew on Saturday, March 15, 2008 - 2:57 AM
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Robert
Robert Cliburn

 
I would suspect that some peace activists are reluctant to craw too much attention to their selves in a state that is so hyper-pro military as Oklahoma is. Tinker AFB is a major economic factor in the OKC area. Vance AFB IS the economic factor in North Central Oklahoma while southwest Oklahoma's economy centers around Ft Sill in Lawton and Altus AFB in Altus.

You have experienced some negative feedback as a member of the National Guard. If a peace activist was self employed in one of these military communities or worked on one of the military installations their actions could threaten their income. I believe that is the case and a possible explanation for low profile support.

Such is the world in which we live. While so many Oklahomans are anti-war [this war at least] most are pro family. Free speech is a right we have but the consequences of free speech can be costly.

I had an incident when I was a government employee when I testified in support of an employee management was "was out to get". My actions saved his career but ruined mine. At the time I feared this may happen but I did what I thought was right.

You do the "right thing" also. kudoes.
 
Posted by Robert on Sunday, June 01, 2008 - 2:34 PM
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