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Monday, October 26, 2009 

26 Oct 2009


My sleep schedule has been a bit off and the main reason for that is that I've been playing poker in Bobby's room at the Bellagio. After I was eliminated from the tournament, I felt like playing so I stopped in and played till about 6am that first night. It was a good game, with most of the players drinking wine. Good wine too, one of my favorites, Caymus Special select. It's not as expensive as other wines, but it's my favorite Cabernet by far.

Since that night I got the poker bug. I've already considerably stepped up my hours online at PokerStars, playing regularly in the $400-$800 8-game mix and running really hot. I only play two hour sessions normally, but I've only taken one loss in my last 14 plays in that game.

This week I played three nights at the Bellagio also and plan on going back again today at 4pm since some of the guys are starting early. Last night, it was a 10 game mix:

Hold'em
Omaha 8 or better
Stud
Raz
Stud 8 or better
2-7 triple draw
Pot Limit Omaha (cap)
No Limit Hold'em (cap)
2-7 NL Single Draw (cap)
Stud H/L regular

The limit games were $1500-$3000 and the big bet games were played with $500-$1000 blinds and a $30,000 cap. That's a much smaller cap than normal, and I found it a little odd, but I'm not complaining. I actually think it benefits me in that particular lineup for several reasons.

Last night I played a hand of no limit hold'em that ended up causing a bit of controversy: I raised to $2500 with 6s 8s and the big blind called me. The flop came K-10-4 rainbow. The big blind checked, and I bet $3000- he called. The turn was a 7, he checked again, and this time I bet $8000. The river was the 9, and after he checked is where things got a little funky.

I started counting the pot in my head to try and figure out how much was left to bet. We'd each put in $2500, $3000, and $8000 thus far, leaving $16,500 left to bet. I said, "I'll bet the pot," then threw out $13,500, miscalculating how much was left. So my verbal action was "pot," but the amount of chips I actually bet was $3000 less than it was supposed to be.

My opponent called the bet, and as the pot was being pushed towards me, the hand still face up on the table, I realized that the bet was supposed to be $3000 more since I actually verbalized the word pot. What do you think? Should I get the extra $3000 or not? I think there are decent arguments on both sides.

Anyway, I've really been enjoying playing poker lately. I feel like a lot of distractions I may have to deal with aren't as pronounced lately, which allows me more time to focus on poker. It's kind of fun feeling like a professional poker player again. Let's face it, in the last couple years I haven't played much poker outside of the big tournaments. I haven't been a "regular" in any game at all. I decided after the WSOP that I would start playing more poker again during the Bellagio tournament, but I expected that to be in December. I didn't think I'd have time until then, but I decided to make the time.

To really keep your game sharp and play at a high level it takes genuine sacrifice. It's a sacrifice I'm not so sure I'm willing to make wholeheartedly. With all of the other things I do that are poker related, on top of my addiction to golf, I don't think I'll reach my peak any time soon. A few years ago I was a regular in Bobby's room, but a lot has changed since then. Golf is a big deal to me, but also, being a part of PokerStars Team Pro has me traveling a bit more and doing lots of other things.

I love my life. Absolutely, I'm a happy camper and have the opportunity to live a stress free life. Having said that, I also have a thirst to be a better poker player. I've always done very well playing in mixed games. Before the poker boom, that's how I made a living.

I look back sometimes on my career path and I see major differences between where I went, and where my buddy Phil Ivey went. At the time when I spent less time playing poker, he became an animal, playing both online and live regularly. A crazy work ethic, with absolutely no distractions. There is no question in my mind that all of that experience helped Ivey become the player that he is today.

Thinking about that motivates me. I know I'll never be in a spot where I have complete freedom to play poker ALL the time, but that doesn't mean I can't play more than I have in the last few years and I think it's important for me on a personal level that I do.

Now, when I say play more poker, that means mixed games. It does not mean no limit hold'em cash games at all, because games like that just don't regularly happen at the highest levels. You'll never, ever, see Bobby's room turn into a no limit hold'em cash game. Most of the high stakes players in the world at least play a few of the other games, and more and more I see the younger guys playing the mixed games.

For a while I was worried that big mixed games would die out, but the obvious truth is that mixed games have longevity that a no limit cash game could never have, despite that being the game of choice among most new players. Eventually, all true poker players try to learn all the games. Playing just one game becomes monotonous and boring.

So I'm 3 for 3 this week at Bellagio and plan on going down there again to play for about 6 hours or so. There is one negative side effect to going down there for me. When I stay home at night, I'm usually up at like 10am, workout, golf, and live a healthy lifestyle. Going to Bellagio brings out a bit of the degen in me. Staying out late, drinking, then waking up too late to golf. It's a difficult balance that requires a good amount of discipline. I'm sure I'll get it all figured out eventually, in the meantime, I'm going to just ride the rush and see where that takes me...
♠Josh♠

 
Good philosophy Daniel.  Ride it out for what it's worth. 

The last couple years I've been trying to build the bankroll that will allow me to transition from a professional life, into a more poker-digested lifestyle.  Unfortunately enough it just doesn't seem to be working out as well as I thought it was going to.  I think because I'm a tournament player and not a cash game player that it's simply because I haven't hit a huge payday yet.  The most I've won in tournament play is $1,200.  That being said, I'd really like to know how you started out your poker roll? 

Ive got all the patience in the world on the table, but when it comes to life patience, I don't understand why my bankroll can't grow like all you pros that have unlimited amounts of money to do this with! 

(Can you tell I'm just a tad bit jealous?  haha)



 
Posted by ♠Josh♠ on Thursday, October 29, 2009 - 04:01
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John
Johnny allen

 
Hey josh, im not daniel, but being a huge fan of his, i can answer your questions, He put in hours, at a canadian poker club, he worked it like a 9to 5 literally, 12 to 8pm 5 days a week, even though the bigger and easier games were at night, he took mad notes, He built his bankroll up 2 times and headed to vegas, both times sent back to canada with just the shirt on his back, he realized he was good, just not good enough, he hit it hard agian for a couple of years, and the rest is as they say history, he had some big scores in tournaments, in first few years, then wrote some books, and now even does tv, and not to mention his own pokersite awhile back, fullcontact poker, if your everyday improving your game, and never get Good enough, that you don't feel you have poker mastered, and paired with a little luck, who knows maybe next time im hounding your blogs, lol
 
Posted by John on Thursday, October 29, 2009 - 20:04
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Great Dane

 
In NLHE, betting the pot is not allowed. Players are entitled to be informed of the pot size in pot-limit games only. Dealers will not count the pot in limit and no-limit games. So it seems that the verbal bet is irrelevant. When $13,500 was pushed forward, it seems that this was the amount of the bet.

Daniel could have said, "all in," or just pushed forward a stack of chips that may have been more than the cap, allowing the dealer to calculate the maximum allowable bet.

Players should keep a cool composure and the rules of the game in mind when acting.

That's my take on the hand.

 
Posted by Great Dane on Thursday, October 29, 2009 - 05:12
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Tray
Lawrence Elfstrom

 
I agree with Great Dane. The rule is very clear that "Pot" is not a bet in No-Limit holdem. It's only a valid bet in Pot Limit games. Its against Nevada gaming rules for a dealer to count the pot in any game other than Pot Limit. So when Daniel says "Pot" and throws in less than that, how would the dealer know what the pot is? Of course this being a cap game, he probably meant to say "cap" which is like an all-in, but once he pushed 13,500 forward that is the bet. Verbal is binding, except when the rule specifically states it isn't. 
 
Posted by Tray on Thursday, October 29, 2009 - 13:08
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Kimminentdanger

 
Far be it from me to argue with the handsome Great Dane, but I CALL BULLSHIT. I play Mohegan & Foxwoods and have had this issue myself. Fortunately, the pit boss ruled in my favor, and I didn't get screwed the way Daniel did. VERBAL ACTION PLAYS - it's a no brainer... and just as a side note, the dealer should have noticed that and kept the bet seperate anyway...

Glad you're on a rush Daniel.. keep it up! Don't worry about the healthy lifestyle thing.. the Bellagio brings out the degenerate in ALL OF US. You're smart enough not to get caught up ;)

Kim Shannon
Glaring Madness





 



 
Posted by Kimminentdanger on Thursday, October 29, 2009 - 06:44
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Chris
Chris law

 
I haven't heard the other side of the story regarding the miss-step. However
I do agree with your comment, of "pot" When a verbal action is given, it gives
more precidence over the actual action. I have also played in some games
where my bet wasnt a bet, until i said raise. it was only a call. Which
annoyed me very very much quite few times.
I have noticed it seems everyone has their own "rules" regarding NLHO,
it's not right.
I have students that ask me questions about that all the time.
I simply say, "House Rules". out of respect, however don't be afraid
of challenging authority every now and again in a respectable way.

Also i always always always encourage mixed game play. If not
you run the risk of being bored, and impatience kicks in.
Then your game is done. So i totally agree with you on the mixed games.

I was afraid myself, that people won't be as interested in playing it.

But it does give players a better understanding of the games in a whole.

Wih that in mind it makes you a better well rounded player


take care of yourself and your family


-chris

 
Posted by Chris on Thursday, October 29, 2009 - 06:44
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AsianInvasion
Ben Gangwer

 
There is one issue with the betting arguement. Verbalizing "pot" as an action is NOT allowed in NLHE, but is it allowed in CAP NLHE? If CAP NLHE plays the same as regular NLHE, then the verbal statement should NOT be binding.

-In NLHE, the dealer is NOT allowed to count down the pot, tell you what is in the pot, etc. He/She may spread the pot out, but it is up to YOU the player to determine how much is in there.
-Verbalizing "pot" is not an action in NLHE
-With it being a capped NLHE game, we are needed to know if it is the dealer's job to keep track of the betting amounts, or the players.


Daniel, I don't know if Phil has a blog, twitters, etc. We've all seen the mucked winning hand 2 days ago on ESPN. What is your take on the hand, and did he realize what he did?

 
Posted by AsianInvasion on Thursday, October 29, 2009 - 07:17
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Ricky Ross [Anything Is Possible]

 
Man your a beast at poker i can only wish I was half as good as u so I think u can do what u want lol but on the pot. I think it's mostly the dealers fault for not catching it but I think if you miss counted I dont think u should get the 3k but it's also the other guys fault for being a donk n doesn't know what the pot was either lol n golfs amazing I'm addicted to both as welll best of luck to u bud I'm sure u don't need it tho lol
 
Posted by Ricky Ross [Anything Is Possible] on Thursday, October 29, 2009 - 07:56
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Trent
Trent Byer

 
mixed games, I bet the pot in NL but the chips speak????? Interesting?
Sick how you want to work on your game and compare yourself to the best????
I put poker on a back burner for family and golfing with my boys, it irritates me when I play stupid donktastic rusty poker. @35, I have a funny feeling poker is always there but the kids may be busy!

 
Posted by Trent on Thursday, October 29, 2009 - 14:13
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♥ღ*ABBY*ღ♥

 
Wow, to have a day in your life.... Poker or golf that is the question!

Keep doing what makes you happy and tell us all about it, we love your blogs!

 
Posted by ♥ღ*ABBY*ღ♥ on Thursday, October 29, 2009 - 14:40
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ChildPlease

 
Ok in any game (except FL) At any casino or online....There is such thing as betting the pot...For someone to say its not allowed is stupid....If your a good poker player your know the size of the pot anyways with no help.....to ask the dealer what the size of the pot was would be dumb anyways...I make pot sized bets in NLHE all the time.....but then agian i know what the pot size is at all times.....But i guess thats whats separates mfrom the donks that announce a pot sized raise at a live table...
 
Posted by ChildPlease on Thursday, October 29, 2009 - 15:11
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ChildPlease

 
Edit....Annnouncing a pot sized raise in a PL or Cap game is legit though.
 
Posted by ChildPlease on Thursday, October 29, 2009 - 15:14
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Lynne

 
Hi Daniel,

I'm torn on the 3k.  You did verbalize, "Pot" but you also shorted yourself when you pushed in 3k shy of the pot.  Call it an expensive lesson! lol

I never could understand why people would learn and play one poker game only.  I am proud to have schooled myself in all the games that PS has to offer.  Poker is so much more fun when you play a mixed match or tourney because it breaks up the monotony.  Stronger in some of the games and weaker in others.  Some people out there don't even realize they are playing the wrong poker game for their style of play and how they could really benefit by learning as many of the games as they can.  I find myself even playing some BADUGI just to have fun with it.  Even catching myself saying outloud before I click the disgard button, "BAAA DUUU GIII".

Hope your good rush continues,
Lynne
 
Posted by Lynne on Thursday, October 29, 2009 - 15:51
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Μarίηa ♰

 
I'm happy you play golf...gets you outside...in the fresh air!! One day...you and Erick Lindgren should

consider trying to get on the Amazing Race.
 
Posted by Μarίηa ♰ on Thursday, October 29, 2009 - 17:37
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Joshua

 
i think verbal has presidence over everything and if you cant say "pot" the dealer should have said that.
anyways keep it up daniel i watch you all the time on pokerstars i play alot of 8-game also i love it for the reasons you stated, playing one game for hours gets kind of boring and you can lose concentration unlike mixed games where stratagy chages every 10-15 min

from_fresno on stars
remeber the name i will be known soon :)

gl hf tid

 
Posted by Joshua on Thursday, October 29, 2009 - 21:16
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Jesse
Jesse Anderson

 
Absolutely you should get the extra part of the bet, in poker, verbal actions are binding.  You said, "Pot", he said "call".  Your bet the pot, and he called, no ifs ands or buts about it.  It really IS that simple.

I'm glad to know mixed games won't die out at the higher levels, but I hate the fact that all across the country you can't find anything but Texas Hold'em and occasionally some Omaha.  I'm in KC, and the casino's refuse to spread any stud or mixed games.  They make too much money off of Hold'em to waste the time training the dealers then the extra time it takes per hand to deal out a 7-stud hand.  I'd love to get some experience playing mixed games (other than online), but that won't happen until I can make it to a middle-level game in Vegas, oh well.

 
Posted by Jesse on Friday, October 30, 2009 - 19:25
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Yves

 
The change of pace is probably good. Facing some serious competition who out to extract as big a chunk of your bankroll as possible will shake out the bugs in your play, keep you sharp, and you enjoy it.
 
Caymus is excellent, and the white 'Caymus Conundrum' is outstanding with squash, since it is autumn now. In a while the pace at Bobby's Room will start to wear you down and the return to a healthier schedule will be a welcome rest.

As for the bet controversy ... you can be sure that if you said "Pot" and lost the pot, and you were light $3,000 on the bet ... that the player in question in that hand would be demanding his $3,000.
 
I find that when people say that "... it is not the money, but the principle of the thing" ... that it is ALWAYS the money. You are bring gracious & diplomatic saying that there are arguements for both sides.
 
Posted by Yves on Friday, October 30, 2009 - 21:47
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Darren
Darren S

 
The  "side" game I really love is 5 card draw but about the only place to play is PokerStars. I enjoy 7 card stud too but it can be sloooowwww.

On the bet controversy, all I can say is what I would do. If I bet pot and threw out chips less than the pot, I would only expect my opponent to throw out the amount of chips that I did. UNLESS someone after the bet verbalized the correct pot amount before the call.

That said, if I am on the other side, and again if this is me, I would split the $3000 and give you $1500 for the sake of goodwill, and if you really pressed the issue, I may give you the 3 grand. But I would not be happy that you pressed the issue to that point.
 
Posted by Darren on Friday, November 06, 2009 - 03:07
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