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City: Swansea
State: Wales
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Friday, March 07, 2008 

Category: Music
My last blog posting about having to cancel a gig has brought up the subject of open-mic nights and it has made me realise how strongly I feel that these are often used as an excuse for getting a lot of cheap entertainment and are an exploitation of the talents of the musicians who play at them.  Very often they are also a valuable stepping stone for new talent and can lead on to professional engagements for them.

My concern is in sorting the good ones from the bad and encouraging the boycotting of those who just use them as a way of boosting the bar takings of the venue.

When I was starting up, many years ago now, there were no such things as open-mic nights but we did have the local folk clubs where, as well as the main guest, there would be an opportunity to perform two or three songs as a "floor spot".  This was a way of gaining both experience in front of an audience and the exposure that you needed if you were going to get noticed.  So this sort of thing is definitely needed, the question is how it should be run.

I'd be really interested to hear what experiences people have had with open-mic nights, how they may have helped or how they may have taken advantage.

If you know of good open-mic sessions that help and encourage new talent let me know and maybe we could put together a list.  Also if you know of any that exploit and abuse, name them (together with details of how they use) and a similar list could also be put together.

Without making you trawl through the original dispute I have copied some relevant parts from that discussion below.

1. From the promoter

When the (original venue) folded on the very basis that we were accused (quite wrongly) of paying a cover band against the principles that were set when we started the amateur enterprise in June 2007, I made it clear that nobody could be paid at The new venue apart for travelling expenses and that was the take it or leave it choice. The budget that I currently have to run the  Sessions is less than £50.


2. From me
You say that the budget you currently have to run the gigs l is less than fifty pounds. If that is the case you should stop running them now. The owners/management of that establishment are taking the p***. They are getting three acts per night, each of those acts will be bringing in a number of their friends/fans who will all be spending money at the bar while the musicians (the reason the bar is taking extra money) are getting sweet FA. Venues like that should be black-listed by the Musicians Union and it's members. They are exploiting the talents of those who deserve to be treated with more respect.

You say that local musicians in your areadeserve more than just pub outlets but this  is just another pub outlet - the only difference is they are getting it for peanuts whilst other pubs in in the area,  are paying decent money and the owners there do more to promote live music in a way that is not background pub entertainment but is an actual show, than most pubs in the whole of Britain. If you really want to help local musicians find something that isn't just another pub outlet, book a venue where you can have a private room and charge people to come in. That way the people who come will be those who want to listen to the music and the artists can take a share of the door takings. Hold a raffle at each gig to boost the funds, a bit like the old folk-clubs used to do (and still do in some cases). You say it makes you feel like you want to wind it up - my advice to you then is to wind it up, certainly at the venue you are now at who are just cashing in on your enthusiasm fo music, and set something else up which shows appreciation in a practical way. You won't find any of the bar staff at these places working for free!

Again, I want to stress that in no way am I accusing you of ripping me or anyone else off. In fact I think you are one of those who are being ripped off. I think your intentions are good, but you are being used to boost the profits of the venue, and in turn the musicians that you are trying to help are being used.

The more venues get cheap/free entertainment, the more decent paying venues are going to decide to call it a day. Why should they pay out hundreds of pounds when the pub next door is only paying £50 for three acts?

It is also the responsibility of promoters and musicians to have nothing to do with these venues.

An open-mic night should be a place for new talent to have the opportunity to sing 2 or 3 songs and no more, in order to show what they can do and to gain performance experience and hopefully impress the venue that they are offered a proper booking there.

The Uplands Tavern, in Swansea is a venue that holds both an acoustic open-mic night and a new bands night. Many people who have played at these sessions and have shown that they have talent have gone on to be booked for a regular music night and have been paid the same rate that every other pro act gets there. This is how it should be done.

If the open mic night is just an excuse to get a nights worth of entertainment and draw people into the bar to spend their money and that is all there is to it they should be boycotted by any promoter, musician and music loving punter.

Stone
Royston Stone Naylor

 
Hey Jim - I'm with you all the way! Perhaps this could be the start of a big (and long overdue) evolutionary leap in the way that we recognise and appreciate live music. I've been photographing bands for most of my adult life and have always tried to help promote deserving musicians whose raw talent and passion often far outweighs their bank balance! As well as this personal 'crusade', I also get involved with organisations with similar aims. At present I am vice-chairman and a founder member of CRAMP (Crediton Rural Arts & Music Project) and we run a very successful Open Mic night on the last friday of every month at the Lamb Inn, Sandford (Mid-Devon). Last year we released our first compilation CD of 16 tracks by 8 of our unsigned bands, and we also staged the first Sandford Festival, as well as various other projects, workshops etc.

There are certainly many other people out there doing similar things, but perhaps it's time for us to join forces so that collectively we can protect and promote emerging local talent, and maybe we can all share this enormous wealth of creative expression?

What say you folks?

Love Stone.
 
Posted by Stone on Friday, March 07, 2008 - 2:39 PM
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Bruno Gallone

 
Hi Jim
I agree with the sentiments your have raised and to question the whole open mic “culture”.

I would like to say before moving on, that I believe that you handled the whole Friday gig thing badly - I don’t believe that you should had the conversation over a blog. Regardless of whether you were right or wrong, I think it was disrespectful – a phone call or private email would have been better......anyway, moving on.

Regarding the whole “open mic” thing - Just because it wasn’t around when you and I started out, doesn’t mean that it’s wrong.
I came back into the music scene after a long absence and I can’t believe the wealth of talent that is out there.
I actually believe a great deal of this is down to two things – My Space and Open Mic’s!
My Space has given them an ear and the Open mic has given them a stage.
(They don't have to work as hard to get a gig as I use to but it's the sign of the times)

And yes, up to a point, I agree with you - I do believe it exploits them. Five acts, all doing half an hour, for nothing, is terrible.
The reality, however, is that a lot of the Open mic performers, are doing it to get experience, giving them the confidence to go for the “paid gigs”....and sadly, if it wasn't for open mic, I don't think some of these performers would ever get heard.

Even though, I have recently been on TV and been played on National and local Radio stations, I am having to do a mixture of both to “get back” into the faces of the venues!
Is it any different 27 years ago? I played for free, if I felt it would lead to better things - so what's the difference now.

Open Mic - good or bad thing? Not sure.
I think it’s good to open the debate – and I applaud you for raising it.

All the very best
Bruno
 
Posted by Bruno Gallone on Tuesday, March 11, 2008 - 1:34 PM
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JIM FOX

 
I need to make some things clear here Bruno, and to those who are reading this. I did send a private email to the organiser regarding the cancellation of the gig. The public announcement was to let people know I would not be playing at that venue and giving the reason why. The organiser then decided to continue the discussion in public. As any agent, promoter or venue that I have worked for will testify I have never before canceled a gig unless it was for illness. Having made that clear I hope no more needs to be said on that subject.


As I have already said, I do not think open-mic nights are a bad thing across the board, but too many venues are cashing in on this opportunity to have cut-price entertainment. One musician, local to the venue in question has stated that he has lost his gigs at that particular place because of the new Friday night sessions. The venue decided to cut the fees they were paying him to an unacceptable rate - because they are now getting three acts for £50 - this cannot be right.

Open mic nights should be there to give performers an opportunity to show what they can do, and for them to gain experience of playing live to an audience. They should be limited to two or three songs per act - not 30-45 minutes sets. That is how the better ones function and they often offer any acts who prove their worth real paid bookings as a reward. And they should be "open", not pre-programmed, advertised nights of entertainment.

I am often happy to give someone the opportunity to play at my gigs during my break,if they ask, and this exposure has led to quite a few of them going on to develop their own musical careers. Most notably singer-songwriter Maria Owens and punk rockers The Bambi Killers, who can both be found on myspace. Recently I was so impressed by the voice of someone who sang at a recent Malvern gig that I did that I have offered the chance of recording with me - for which she will be properly paid. Maybe a few more performers should be prepared to do this in their breaks.

I did say that although when I was starting there were no open-mic nights but there were folk clubs where we could get up and do a couple of songs. That's how I started, it gave me the experience (I also went out and sang on the streets which also resulted in me getting some gigs as well as the money that went in the hat). Open mic nights have taken the place of those folk-club floor spots and also allow a broader range of styles to be played - but they must be run properly and not at the expense of the artists.

In a day when we are more and more concerned about buying Fairtrade trade products, it strikes me that we should also be making sure that musicians are not being exploited. Exploitation is exploitation no matter what work the person is doing. People have said, "where else will the up and coming talent get to play their music?" I guess you could say the same about people sewing clothes for a pittance, but that doesn't make it right.

Two or three songs - that is giving exposure to the musician.
45 minute sets - that is exploiting the musician.

As a musician who is in a situation where I can choose which gigs I do (after many years of working for that privilege), it would be easy for me to just shut up and say that it doesn't really matter, but I do actually care about new talent and the opportunities that there are for them. This is why I feel so strongly about this matter of open-mic nights. I've already been in contact with the Musicians Union about the subject and hopefully, in the future, some sort of standard can be set out as to what is a genuine open-mic night and what is exploitation purely for the profits of the pub/hotel.

Thanks for joining in the discussion Bruno, I hope more people will and let me know of the good and the bad out there.
 
Posted by JIM FOX on Tuesday, March 11, 2008 - 4:21 PM
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Ray Stroud
Ray Stroud

 
Just to clarify. The offer of a Friday gig was withdrawn due to the advent of the open mikes - the reduction in fee mentioned was for Sunday afternoons where the audience could go between 4 and 40 (more often a dozen or so). The venue lost money on Sundays and also had problems booking acts on a Friday for the younger bar crawlers.

I believe the venue have acted honourably and so has Fat Rat Productions. It's just a sad fact that unlike the Lamb, there is not a large music-friendly set of regulars. If you don't bring an entourage with you, the place will make a loss. I know of only one performer in the area who can do that and like you, he has worked hard at it for about 15 years.

No exploitation is going on because lots of amateurs love to have somewhere to play: not necessarily as a step to stardom but just as an outlet with a decent PA and some appreciation. It seems to be a win-win situation and market forces determine the level of pay - it's not a situation for the MU.

I don't blame open mikes for making life harder for me any more than we should feel sorry for record companies losing business through internet distribution. My concern is purely for my own income with the spread of the open mike formula to so many establishments.

I about OM spots being ideally 2 -3 songs: simply because if you don't like the act you will at worst only have to put up with another two songs. The audience appears to have been overlooked in the debate so far (not all acts are great). However, when I host an OM night everyone wants to do 30 minutes and no one wants to open. So it's not the venue being exploitative. It's also easier for the host to arrange for four acts to play in 2 hours than deal with 10.

As for folk clubs Jim - in the late 60s / early 70s it was the only place you could play (no open mikes). No one wanted to hear me sing Beatles or James Taylor. God knows what they would have made of me doing my current Scissor Sisters material! You had to fit in with the 'finger in the ear' and West Country accent is best' brigades. The great thing about these open mikes is they are all-inclusive and have bands.
 
Posted by Ray Stroud on Wednesday, March 12, 2008 - 10:53 AM
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JIM FOX

 
Thanks for the comments Ray.

Unfortunately though, it is only a win-win situation for the venue and those amateurs who just want to play for their music. It is a no-win situation for the professionals who need to earn the money to make a living. It is a bit like the local garage allowing hobbyists and people who just like pottering about with engines to do services on vehicles while they take the profit, rather than paying a professional mechanic to do the job. That's why I think it is a matter for the MU too look at.

At the end of 2007 the average weekly earnings in the UK, according to government statistics were around £500 (http://www.statistics.gov.uk/STATBASE/Product.asp?vlnk=14015). It is becoming harder to reach this amount on a regular basis in this country. I suppose that over a year I am only averaging 3 gigs a week in the UK whereas in Denmark, where the concept of open-mic nights has taken hold, I can play 7 nights a week with an extra gig on a Saturday afternoon - if only I had the energy!

It seems strange that a venue can have problems booking acts for a Friday night for the younger bar-crawlers but is now able to get three acts for free. Common sense tells me that they could book one of those acts a week and pay them proper money. The acts are there, crying out for work.

I don't want to stop open-mic nights, I just want them to be fairer to both professional musicians, and to those who aspire to be professional musicians.
 
Posted by JIM FOX on Wednesday, March 12, 2008 - 11:41 AM
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Moongazer

 
I believe that the quality and the intent of the open mic session is important. Unfortunately the intent of most open mics (like karaoke sessions) is to get free entertainment and takings at the bar, if only from those performing. Most venues don't even offer a couple of free pints. There are a few open mic nigths that are set up with consideration for the performer in mind, which leads me to the quality side of the issue. Most of these open mic nights have very poor sound quality with little attention to getting the right sound for each act. In this case the argument for providing a platform for exposure is redundant if the sound quality is poor.

Another aspect of exploitation of entertainers is the Battle of the Bands phenomenon. Again these are a way of getting free entertainment, usually exploiting the naivety of young musicians while at the same time inculcating an invidious theme of competition amongst the bands, implying that some musicians will be losers. The judging of many of these BOTBs is usually questionable and the ultimate prize is worthless- normally a day at a recording studio. Nothing can be done in a day so the studio hope's that an extended booking will result. Cynical? Well, sadly, based on personal experience.

"Do me a favour"- the other phenomenon is the concept that the venue thinks it is doing the musician a favour by letting them play. I managed a band of 7 musicians who were approached by Yates wine lodge to play outside their premises in Swansea. When the subject of a fee was raised, they were genuinely shocked and thought that the band would be "glad of the exposure".

At this stage I should reveal that as well as a musician and band member, I have been a promoter for over 30 years. Another area of Curate's Eggs! Some good some bad (probably most bad due to incompetence as well as dishonesty). I have always paid my artists the fee agreed in advance (unless a charity gig) even when I have taken a soaking on the door.

Sorry if this argument is a bit meandering but it's basic theme is that there are too many ways that Musicians can be taken advantage of. Try getting 5 plumbers to come to your house for 4 hours then pay them £150- hold on I might be onto something here- forget all above. I've got a dripping tap, a faulty radiator and a dodgy boiler, so I would like to take this opportunity to announce my first ever Battle of the Plumbers competition. All contestants get a complimentary cup of tea and the winner gets a piece of cake and some of my Tesco coupons. All participants will have exposure as due to the lack of central heating the house is bloody freezing.

Happy New Year!
 
Posted by Moongazer on Tuesday, December 30, 2008 - 11:13 AM
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