MySpace
myspace music


Edwyn Collins



Last Updated: 11/17/2009

Send Message
Instant Message
Email to a Friend
Subscribe

Status: Single
City: Kilburn, London and Helmsdale, Sutherland
State: London and South East
Country: UK
Signup Date: 5/28/2006
Wednesday, September 30, 2009 
This is Grace here, the manager. I apologise for hijacking Edwyn's blog. I've been in a long running battle with myspace and a major label which is claiming the ownership of A Girl Like You. That's why it has not been here in it's entirety for ages. THEY WON"T LET US. It's a long, boring Kafkaesque story. I'm pissed off. We want to allow people to download it for free. Edwyn owns it, he should be able to what he wants. When I read about artists supporting the majors and Murdoch cartels even further it irritates me somewhat. So I posted this reply to the statement issued by the Featured Artists Coalition following their meeting at Air Studios. Music legally and freely available on the internet now!

Here's my post......
 
I am Edwyn Colllins manager. Let me tell you a story. At the beginning of this year I noticed that Edwyn's myspace had gone bit wonky and I tried to upload the tracks back on to the music player. His most famous track, which he owns the copyright in, as he does for most of the music he's recorded in his life (preferring to go it alone than have his music trapped "in perpetuity" to use the contract language of the major record company) is called A Girl Like You. It's quite famous. Lo and behold, it would not upload, I was told Edwyn was attempting to breach a copyright and he was sent to the Orwellian myspace copyright re-education page. Quite chilling, actually. I naturally blew my stack and wrote to myspace on his behalf demanding to know who the hell was claiming copyright of Edwyn's track? Which, incidentally, he always made freely available for download on myspace, something which amazed his followers. Eventually, after HUGE difficulty, I was told Warner Music Group were claiming it. I found a nice lawyer guy at Warners, very apologetic, promised to get it sorted, but all these months later it isn't. That is because Myspace are not equipped to deal with the notion that anyone other than a major can claim a copyright. Warner's were one of the lead petitioners in the attempt to put those three stoner lads in Sweden in prison recently, remember. A Girl Like You is available FOR SALE all over the internet. Not by Edwyn, by all sorts of respectable major labels whose licence to sell it ran out years ago and who do not account to him. Attempting to make them cease and desist would use up the rest of my life. Because this is what they do and what they've always done. And it's not just majors. If I had a fiver for all the dodgy indie labels we've been involved with I'd have £35 or thereabouts. (Exceptions: Heavenly and Domino). Andrew Loog Oldham said that getting ripped off (by the industry) was your entrance fee to the music business of the sixties, so get over it. He's right and things have not changed. We are very over it, but nonetheless aware of who the biggest bootleggers around are. It's not the filesharers. Personally, we've always loved bootlegs. Even when Edwyn was really skint at the fag end of the eighties, I remember being in Camden market and seeing some tapes of a couple of his shows on sale. I tried to buy them but the stallholder somehow knew who I was and said "free to the management." I failed to see how that guy selling tapes of Edwyn or even U2 or anybody on the list of signatories above could harm their career. But anyway, as an earlier post said, this is not really an argument worth having. The gig's up. You might as well take a position about when you want the sun to come up in the morning. It's over. Now let's get on with working out a wonderful new way for music lovers to enjoy music for free or for a small subscription that makes it legal and easy to hear ANYTHING and allows the artist to reap the rewards of such freedom of access. Viva la revolucion!
Just Fontaine

 
Well said Grace. I wonder at times how these people sleep at night .. very well i guess.
A couple of years ago i got involved in an e-mail campaign for a US band Scarce. They had split up 12 years ago but are now back together, Universal had ended up with their "rights" (what a terrible use of that word) and even though the band would be making no money from it they wouldn't stick their old tracks up on iTunes ... but after a large number of e-mails from all over the world they changed their minds .. guess they thought they could make a few $'s.
Bands and fans have to get together, hit these people where it hurts, they really don't want bad PR they know their "model" is done for really.
So as Edwyn once singed off to me ... Keep On, Keeping On.
Mark

 
Posted by Just Fontaine on Wednesday, September 30, 2009 - 9:33 PM
[Reply to this
Noel Christian Riddell

 
Bastards.
Thanks for sharing that, Grace.  What frustration!

 
Posted by Noel Christian Riddell on Wednesday, September 30, 2009 - 9:36 PM
[Reply to this
Bobby Wotnot

 
I love music and don't always enjoy the business, the chances to sell your soul are all very tempting and occasionally needed but sometimes the biz needs to get out they way and let artists get on with creating and trying to make a living out of it. Sometimes you get strangled but you have to breathe again. If there is anything I could do, signature on a petition or anything let me know. I know individually I can't help much but I would put my name behind you...

Ta Bobby

ps sorry bit garbled but had a couple of glasses or red..


GOOD LUCK

 
Posted by Bobby Wotnot on Wednesday, September 30, 2009 - 9:44 PM
[Reply to this
Meks

 
This is, in one word, outrageous!
Indeed, viva la revolucion.
The same goes for literature. If you have heard of Cory Doctorow and the book "Little Brother" (as opposed to "Big Brother"), you know what I mean. If not, please read the book, and have a look at it right here on MySpace: www.myspace.com/littlebrotherbook.

 
Posted by Meks on Thursday, October 01, 2009 - 10:16 PM
[Reply to this
Edwyn Collins

 
Have ordered it thanks for pointing me in the direction
G

 
Posted by Edwyn Collins on Sunday, October 04, 2009 - 10:33 AM
[Reply to this
Malcolm Ross

 
Go Grace!!!
 
Posted by Malcolm Ross on Thursday, October 01, 2009 - 10:16 PM
[Reply to this
talulah14

 
Thanks for letting us know what's going on, Grace.  What an absolutely ridiculous situation.  As Bobby has said in his comment if there's anything I can do, signing petitions, rallying support, just let me know.

I did notice that there was a delay between my being notified of the post on the blog and the post actually appearing.  When I first logged on a message saying "myspace were aware of 'technical difficulties' (or words to that effect)" was showing - I just wondered if I was being overly cynical in thinking there was some 'vetting' going on?

Love to you both
Denise x
 
Posted by talulah14 on Thursday, October 01, 2009 - 10:17 PM
[Reply to this
Jon

 
If it wasn't quite so sad, it would be funny - "the Orwellian MySpace copyright re-education page" indeed... Keep fighting Grace! We can't just have to listen to Lily Allen's gobby views on this subject. Jx
 
Posted by Jon on Thursday, October 01, 2009 - 10:17 PM
[Reply to this
Frankie Machine

 
At last! Someone in "the industry" who is prepared to actually speak from the heart and not from the wallet! God bless you Grace & Edwyn for you have hit the nail squarely on the head.
 
When I read Paddy MacLoon's "amusing anecdote" about how he refused to pay a taxi fare in full because the cabbie had told him he had downloaded music for free off the internet, I was nearly physically sick. It's good to know that not everyone is so blinkered (and selfish!)
 
I hope your comments get picked up with the same fervour that the 3 Strikes brigade seem to be generating in the media.

 
Posted by Frankie Machine on Thursday, October 01, 2009 - 10:17 PM
[Reply to this
Daniel
Daniel Prendiville

 
Seems like the moral of the story is not to sign to any label at all. You may not make any money, but at least the amount of money you lose is entirely at your own discretion.

Oh, for a world where the artist could get paid their just desserts and the punter could get as much music as they liked for as little outlay as possible. World peace would be nice too...

Regards,


djp

 
Posted by Daniel on Thursday, October 01, 2009 - 10:17 PM
[Reply to this
TRANSMISSION 13

 
what a nightmare! don't let the bstrds grind you down~keep the faith! regards transmission 13.
 
Posted by TRANSMISSION 13 on Thursday, October 01, 2009 - 10:17 PM
[Reply to this
Bozena Harvey
Bozena Harvey

 
  WOT A BUNCH OF VAMPIRES!!!!   

I'll  NEVER BUY ANYTHING OFF "RESPECTABLE" LARGE CORPORATIONS AGAIN!!! (& will look twice at Indies TOO!)

I'D RATHER SEND CASH
DIRECTLY TO EDWYN HIMSELF to MAKE SURE EDWYN GETS IT! 

EDWYN is CLEARLY a GENEROUS HEARTED, TALENTED MAN  &  the MAFIA music 'Industry' are ROBBING HIM!!!!   

EVIL !!!

I often wondered WHY  'A GIRL LIKE YOU' was never on EDWYN'S Myspace!  NOW I KNOW!

THEY wont let EDWYN play
 EDWYN'S OWN SONG !!!??!!, which EDWYN OWNS!?!!!   

ANY PLAN to SIDE-STEP these straight-jacketing, HELL-bound  VULTURES has my 100% SUPPORT.

Thank you for this shocking & illuminating UP-date on the DOWN-side of being a GORGEOUS musical GENIUS

ALL POWER TO YOU & YOURS ,
 LOVE, Bozena

 
Posted by Bozena Harvey on Thursday, October 01, 2009 - 10:17 PM
[Reply to this
Rob
Robert Smith

 
Go get'em girl.
 
Posted by Rob on Thursday, October 01, 2009 - 10:17 PM
[Reply to this
numatic65

 
well that takes the bloody bisuit eh .. what a cheek ..  3 cheers for our side grace . i think edwyn is fantastic to give HIS music for free . for a person of his stature almost unique ? just shows you eh all the bull shitters supreme ..
love to you all
paul shepherd liverpool

 
Posted by numatic65 on Thursday, October 01, 2009 - 10:17 PM
[Reply to this
Freedom In Exile

 
Well said Grace, I've had exactly the same problems with uploading my Artists songs on their own myspace pages for the same ridiculous reasons. And don't get me started on labels still selling Songs they no longer have rights to and not accounting .... they are a DISgrace!

Keep on their case, I know its a pain, but really why should they get away with it.

Kind Regards,
Veronica

 
Posted by Freedom In Exile on Friday, October 02, 2009 - 9:49 PM
[Reply to this
pedro
Pedro mendes

 
I'm of the opinion that true artists have nothing to fear. Music as an industry will fail sooner or later. Musicians cannot be held as employers to majors and other leeches, it's the other way around. The music professionals work for musicians, who create art and not some consumer product ready for being massively marketed.
thanks for being part of the revolucion. viva la revolucion!
 
Posted by pedro on Friday, October 02, 2009 - 9:49 PM
[Reply to this
Andreas

 
Unbelievable story, Grace!
Thanx for sharing!

All rights to the musicians!!!
Greetings and all the best to Edwyn!

Andreas.
 
Posted by Andreas on Saturday, October 03, 2009 - 11:57 AM
[Reply to this
St@R*Lit

 
Amaaaazing GRACE! That's REdiculous! GET EM' GIRL!!!!!!
 
Posted by St@R*Lit on Sunday, October 04, 2009 - 9:03 PM
[Reply to this
cineplexx

 
It is VERY frustrating... I am with you Grace !

 
Posted by cineplexx on Monday, October 05, 2009 - 11:54 AM
[Reply to this
daniel a.k.a. Ron de Voo

 
Great!
daniel

 
Posted by daniel a.k.a. Ron de Voo on Monday, October 05, 2009 - 6:14 PM
[Reply to this
John Purdie
John Purdie

 
Grace, Techdirt has picked this up; no doubt it will snowball on the internet.

Link:
http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20091005/0146316418.shtml

You might want to try and give the industry a taste of its own medicine. They have, after all, sued grannies and kids for downloading songs illegally. They themselves are selling songs illegally. Sue um to hell.

 
Posted by John Purdie on Tuesday, October 06, 2009 - 12:58 PM
[Reply to this
Roadrunner Records

 
Grace, whilst it doesn't address your problems with major labels, email me (Jeremy) at webmaster@roadrunnerrecords.com and I'll put you directly in touch with the WMG guy who can help out with this. Lawyers ALWAYS take their time. Hopefully the guy I direct you towards will take care of this quickly.

I'm a long-time fan and would like to help if I can.

 
Posted by Roadrunner Records on Tuesday, October 06, 2009 - 12:58 PM
[Reply to this
Something.

 
Fuck Myspace. Shit's on the way out anyway. Don't go down with the ship, there are plenty of other venues to connect to your fans through the internet. Yes Myspace can be a great tool for artists in that regard, but if they are actively hindering that effort and are incompetent enough to not allow to logical change, then fuck em. They don't deserve your work to grace their servers.

 
Posted by Something. on Tuesday, October 06, 2009 - 9:28 PM
[Reply to this
MMI

 
There is one good thing that's come from this (for me).  I was a fan of Orange Juice in high school (back in the stone age as my kids say) and had somehow managed to not hear anything about you in a very very very long time.  Imagine my delight when I saw Edwyn's name on a techdirt tweet today.  Maybe there are more long lost fans that will find you as a result of this nightmare.

 
Posted by MMI on Wednesday, October 07, 2009 - 12:20 AM
[Reply to this
Max

 
I guess the way to manage is to
* open a record label company of 2 people
* claim all future works
* claim all past works
* sue Warner bastards (whoopsie, is that "brothers" ?)

After the suit gets publicized, they will admin it's been a "small misunderstanding", especially the "apologetic" lawyer.
amd almost forgot, GET A TOOTHY LAWYER, pay him/her percent of what he gets from the "brothers", IT can finance and make a good PR, for both of you.

Good Luck!


 
Posted by Max on Wednesday, October 07, 2009 - 5:34 PM
[Reply to this
Adrian
Adrian Demarais

 
Why not just post it elsewhere and dare Warner to bring charges?
I don't imagine any judge would fail to rip them a new one for wasting the court's time like that.  Perhaps Warner's own lawyers would catch the stupidity in time and clear up the mess before that.

 
Posted by Adrian on Wednesday, October 07, 2009 - 5:34 PM
[Reply to this
Lonely Joe Parker

 
Do you know about Merlin? The rights body for indies and one-artist-labels... I think they're doing something with MySpace in aggregate - the point being that it wouldn't really be economical for MySpace to deal one-to-one with avery single indie or single-artist label.

I've got a friend in their UK content department; she says they're so overstretched that just keeping up with email is a daily challenge. Plus it's not like MySpace actually makes anyone any money; it's main role is a free advertising platform for Murdoch, since he can buy in cross-platform ad space for sod all.

 
Posted by Lonely Joe Parker on Wednesday, October 07, 2009 - 5:44 PM
[Reply to this
Jeff

 
Music industry contracts that benefit the label can be enforced as long as the label wants, even if the contract expired years ago.

Music industry contracts that benefit the bands can be ignored outright as long as the label wants, even if the contract says the label's license period expired years ago.

What do you expect from such a corrupt bunch of labels?

I still haven't forgiven EMI and Sony over their DRM CDs (especially the Sony ones with the rootkit).

 
Posted by Jeff on Wednesday, October 07, 2009 - 8:22 PM
[Reply to this
John
John Danielson

 
Is MySpace still operating out of the US?  Filing a false copyright claim is a CRIMINAL offense under the DMCA.  Request that MySpace allow the upload and remove it only after they receive a DMCA, after which you counter claim (and they'll have to put it back up again pending litigation.)  You'll get a nice punitive award for the effort...

 
Posted by John on Thursday, October 08, 2009 - 12:30 PM
[Reply to this
Frightdoll

 
Myspace doesn't always react to the counter DMCA notices filed, even when offering to provide proper proof of ownership. I just had to deal with this situation myself last month with a new music video I launched through myspace. A 3rd party in another country filed a copyright infringement claim against my video through myspace without any right. I sent in a counter DMCA notice to myspace, the "claimant" did not take legal action against me as is required under the DMCA, but still myspace did not restore my video even though it was completely original footage and I am the person in the entire video.

 
Posted by Frightdoll on Thursday, October 08, 2009 - 11:29 PM
[Reply to this
Hobo Roadie

 
I have been trying to find out what relation Warner Bros. has with Sentata Records since reading about this situation on slashdot and The Guardian. Could you please clarify this for me? I e-mailed Warner Bros. Music, but I'm not holding my breath waiting for them to respond. Thanks.

 
Posted by Hobo Roadie on Thursday, October 08, 2009 - 11:28 PM
[Reply to this
Frightdoll

 
It's ridiculous how easy it is for anyone to make copyright infringement claims over material which they do not own, and how quickly myspace, youtube, and other companies will remove the material without even requesting the proper evidence for rightful copyright ownership. Reading this blog was all too familiar, as I've been dealing with a similar situation myself, where now I am unable to upload my own material to my myspace due to unjustified 3rd party copyright infringement claims.

Unfortunately for smaller independent artists like myself, it's a lot more difficult to bring justice to these situations: http://frightdoll.com/blog.php
 
Posted by Frightdoll on Thursday, October 08, 2009 - 11:29 PM
[Reply to this
Bozena Harvey
Bozena Harvey

 
WOW! How BEYOND effing annoying.  This means any bloody-minded little tosspot can take FULL advantage of this Myspace slackness to put the kibosh on ANY artist they like!
Self-appointed jailers making you sweat in anonymouus purgatory until SOMEBODY checks out that you were RIGHT ALL ALONG and LETS you play your OWN ART!?!
It's just like life, when you KNOW you're right but nobody else does  - only worse! I hope justice prevails for YOU TOO
 
Posted by Bozena Harvey on Monday, October 19, 2009 - 12:56 AM
[Reply to this
Big Blue X

 
Fucking cock suckers - Carl
 
Posted by Big Blue X on Saturday, October 10, 2009 - 2:10 PM
[Reply to this
Greg's Music Page

 
Can you sell on Amazon, eBay, etc?  I would recommend BlastMyMusic, but they seem to have gone down.  I used to sell my music there.  A while ago I had a problem because I had added copyright tags to my mp3s and I couldn't even burn them to a disc or anything.  I had to rerip my own CD and leave off the copyright, which makes it look like it's free music.  They really like to keep the little guy from getting anywhere, I swear.

 
Posted by Greg's Music Page on Monday, October 12, 2009 - 11:56 AM
[Reply to this
tinman (Official GUN fan site)

 
As times have changed I think that artists such as Edwyn should use their recorded music as they wish.  If they want offer it free let them do so...  this will, in the en,d lead to wider distribution of their work and get more people interested in attending live gigs, where money will be made from ticket sales and merchandise. 

Money could also be made from having the downloads or free cds sponsored by businesses, that way evryone wins.  The artist gets paid, the music fan gets their favourite acts music for nothing (which means more money left to spend at gigs and on t shirts etc.) and the business gets a huge amount of publicity which they would have to pay millions for normally.... I gues the only person who doesn't do so well is the 'big' record label who can longer tamper with and regurgitate someone elses work over and over again, fleecing the loyal music fan.....
 
Posted by tinman (Official GUN fan site) on Tuesday, November 03, 2009 - 11:12 PM
[Reply to this
The Crystal Apes

 
Thank you for adding back the artist into the whole thing - this seems to be something majors forgot a long time ago. Music was never meant to be a machine for printing money - that's a side effect.
Majors forget too often that prople don't buy products of their companies but the artists music and image.
More and more people understood that artists don't get too much from their "deals" (there's huge exceptions of course, but that's another task) and would prefer to support their favourite artists directly, just like they do at a concert.

The whole business just forgot about the musicians and the fans being human beings not stats for the greediness of shareholders. That's what actually kills music. Music will survive and the industry will have to find its place if it really wants to keep a chance of surviving.
Otherwise all companies will end up as little departments of global electronic corporations just being the addition to sell the products and increase sales.

And then we'll say: you reap what you sow - maybe you understand now how it feels to be nothing more than a tool for sales ;)
 
Posted by The Crystal Apes on Monday, November 09, 2009 - 10:47 AM
[Reply to this