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Friday, June 12, 2009 

Current mood:  gallant
Category: Dreams and the Supernatural
Greetings. This blog is about personal morality & the Metaphysical world. Recently someone has asked me if I have engaged in sex with a teacher to learn the arts of Magic from and the full answer is no. I am a strict heterosexual and all of my teachers have been male and each one of them have been heterosexual. Now this is not to say that they did not engage in sex with a female student because a couple of them did admit that to me. However each told me this was way back when in their youth and in truth I too have had sex with a student or two in the past when I was younger.

Years ago when I decided to be celibate with my girl friend who later became my wife, that changed things for me as well it should. Why? Simple: I made a pact with her to be celibate while we were together. After we split, however, all bets were off for both of us. That was our agreement between us. Now I cannot say how others should be because I am not some ethics professor or some high falootin' moralistic dogmatic fool who shouts to the world how things ought to be. In other words, I'm not a televangelist. ;)

When I was involved in Paganism in Florida, specifically in the Tampa Bay area, I saw lots of rampant sexual contact - not in the way of orgies or anything - but changing partners, switching from hetero to homo-sexual and so on. Yeah I saw a couple split who both were married to one another as hubby & wife and after their kids were teens, they somehow got the feeling they needed to be with like-kind genders so she found a lesbian lover & he found a homosexual lover. That bothered a lot of Pagans then but I didn't care since it didn't confront me.

I did hang out with a great bunch of guys at a couple of Sabbats held in the woods. They were homosexual and damn fine cooks & home brew makers. (Hey, if there's great food and good beer, why not?) But they respected my boundaries that I didn't swing that way and told me to invite my girlfriend at the time to their Sabbats so I did. We had a grand time.

For years, in the Pagan community, specifically in some Wiccan sects, there is this stigma about gays & Wicca and gender balance. Personally I find it amusing that even in the Occult, people get all bent over the fact there are homosexuals amongst us. LoL Big deal. I guess I’ve never had a homosexual try to make advances towards me. I've had one guy in my whole life who was gay tell me he thought I was cute & would love to get together and when I explained to him I was heterosexual and thanks but no-thanks, he respected my boundaries and let it go. So where all of this anti-gay sentiment comes from is beyond me.

Now when I moved to the Cleveland, Ohio, area, I saw much of the same thing going on in the Pagan community as well. Heteros switching partners, gays doing their thing & having to defend their rights. It all seems so silly to me especially if we're all adults.

Do the Spirits give a damn if you're hetero, homo or bi-sexual? Not that I'm aware of! The only thing I think they care about is “Relationship Pacts” - such as an oath to be celibate with all others but your partner. Admit that in front of the Spirits and then break it and your ass is grass, homeboy, and the Spirits are the lawnmower! But do they care if you're in an open relationship and promiscuous? Again, not that I'm aware of.

Sexual morality is an individual choice. Yes there are societal taboos that should be respected such as do NOT get involved with children nor should you force yourself on someone and so on. Those social taboos are there for a reason not to simply make it difficult on you. Frankly if you're an adult and you have a fetish for children, you need therapy and medical help. An acquaintance of mine has a friend who is gay and he is attracted to young, teenage boys. He thus far has not moved on these impulses and has instead moved to live out in the boonies by himself and refuses to date any male who has children. Kudos to him for recognizing his problems and dealing with them. Recently he's decided to get professional help and I take my hat off to him!

I was asked if the ATR has the same open style sexual mores that many Pagans have such as poly-amoury or as Oberon Zell likes to call 'a bouquet of lovers' and in truth I'm NOT certain because I cannot speak for the ATR just because I'm now a Houngan. In my opinion, in the ATR it's the same as it is in Paganism where it's the individual's choice on how they conduct their private lives. I have heard many arguments between Paleros who claim one cannot be homosexual and be involved in Palo whilst other Paleros claim that is nonsense and so on.

My first teacher who practiced Obeah told me he would trade sex for spell work with female clients quite often. He told me he liked hookers as they had Spiritual needs but had little other than a sexy body (his words) to trade. Ok, that's his thing. Another teacher of mine had a thing for younger gals and he would trade some spell work but more often he'd take on an Apprentice in exchange for sex. Again, that didn't confront me so I didn't give a darn about it.

I've known some Metaphysical practitioners who refuse to do any spell work OR even teach anyone who was homosexual - as if a gay person is a leper. That doesn't bother me because some of my former clients have been gay and they eat, shit & bleed just like the rest of us and hell their money is the same color as heterosexuals so I'm not prejudiced but other practitioners out here are.

There was one guy who was sort of a teacher (in few regards) who was a big time Rune practitioner and talk about a homophobe! When I started learning the Runes from him, I had no idea about his personal philosophies regarding gays let alone politics he turned out to be a Neo-Nazi in disguise so I had to distance myself from him immediately. I didn't care that he didn't like 'queers' as he'd state it but his Neo-Nazi mentality went too far for my tastes.

Oddly enough, there's this growing sentiment in many Magical-Religions out there that a person's sexuality is in question before they can learn let alone do. Um, is this Judaism? Is this Moslem? Is this Xianity? No this is the world of the Occult and I do not recall seeing any sweeping statement that said, "Thou shalt not be gay or bi-sexual & practice the Occult!" BUT, that's ok. You know, this world needs bigots just as it needs evil to be able to appreciate the good & non-bigots out there.

Personal morality should be left in the bedroom. Should you have to hide your sexual preferences in this day and age? No HOWEVER we still have a lot of the old guard around. Gays have been here for a very long time and it's been said that some of the most famous artists, inventors and mathematicians have been gay. Gee I wonder where our society would be had they not been around. I imagine that our whole world would be far different.

AND with all that said, I do also respect the decision that a teacher or practitioner has about not working for certain clients. One practitioner I know refuses to work for criminals - such as drug dealers - regardless of how much they offer her. Why? I dunno but she has her reasons. Another old black guy I knew refused to work for white people because he said they complain too much about the cost & results. Oddly enough, a white male Witch I knew absolutely refused to do any spell work for folks of non-Irish descent and he said it was because they have the best chance of his magic working for them.

So you can see there are a LOT of prejudices out there in the Occult and all are based on some sort of morality, logic (regardless of how illogical it appears) or reason that the individual spell caster does. Hell I had a woman come to me and asked me if I was 'gay' and when I said, 'No', she said she'd prefer to find a gay Houngan who'd take on her work. *shaking my head* There are a LOT of strange people out there in the world with all sorts of wild prejudices running around. lol I laugh because it's all so goofy to me why people have the prejudices they do.

It's a lot like folks who cannot see someone except for their skin color or sexual orientation. I worked with a guy in an office setting who was a very nice guy and he was gay. He had an attack of emphysema (spelling?) and wound up in the hospital. After he recovered, we had our annual Yule party and he brought in a delicious clam casserole that was out of this world. I and two other ladies (one was the boss) had the guts to eat it; the rest of the office (20+ men & women) refused to try it thinking he somehow gave it cooties or some horse-shit. I mean get real. Like the man had Aids and transferred it to his foods. Ugh It was stupid of people to believe that nonsense but people are people.

In closing, I want to say that your personal morality does not matter to me. As long as you are not bullying people for sex or raping innocents, I don't give a damn what you do in the privacy of your bedroom with another adult(s). Many of my clients have been quite odd but so what? Hell I have had a couple dominas as clients who came to me about a love spell. In fact, one was a full fledged professional dominatrix who wanted me to teach her the Occult. Come to find out she only wanted to learn how to increase her business so I let her flash some green and I gave her a potent spell that brings her in quite an influx of cash to this day. She still emails me from time to time.

If you're a practitioner, what you believe is your own business. If you get homosexuals coming to you and you don't want to do work for them, send them to ME. If you get gays who want to learn the Occult and you're prejudiced against them, send them to ME. Their money is just as green as yours or mine and if they want help, I have no compulsions against helping them.

Consequently if you get black folks and you're prejudiced about working for them, send them to ME. If you can't work for Asians, Orientals, Italians, Polynesians, American Indians or whatever other color/race/creed/religion, send them to ME!

My Spirits are not against helping others regardless of their personal outlook. I'm not interested in helping some degenerate do something to an innocent - as I previously said I'm NOT interested in helping to abort a child or fetus in the womb just because your man got another woman pregnant. Uh-unh. No way. My Spirits would kick my ass for that one. That's an innocent and murder for being hateful.
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Dahvia
One Drop Redemption

 
Super cool Molach I was always taught that in any helping profession you cannot hold certain views about other groups because you cannot pick your clients and if you treat one you should treat them all professionally courteously despite their race or taste. That said i guess some people do handpick their clients... but why? If you cannot embrace diffrences in humanity how can you deal with the spirit world that is even more diverse? Just my teaching. I see the wisdom of this played out again and again and like you just dont have that much intrest in knowing/controlling all aspects of humanity. I guess if you think you can.. I dunno it doesnt make much sense to me to be so choosy. There are some ehtical standards that I hold but really I try to be most nonjugemental and as helpful as I can be. Divirsity is amazing and very educational as well! Thanks for sharing this.. it was very well thought out and written as usual!

 
Posted by Dahvia on Saturday, June 13, 2009 - 2:14 PM
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rakshasi

 
Dahvia, you hit the nail on the head regarding human issues vs the spirit realm: acceptance of all that's human is what makes a good spirtual practitioner BECAUSE of the diversity of the spirits themselves. Kudos to you as well!

 
Posted by rakshasi on Sunday, June 14, 2009 - 2:26 PM
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J

 
great post, had to talk to a young man a few weeks back about his fear and loathing of his sexuality and how he could not reconcile magical practice with his orientation. Very sad.
 
Posted by J on Saturday, June 13, 2009 - 2:14 PM
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rakshasi

 
One of the reasons I chose an occult path was because it seemed to me (when I was a teen) that organized religions were not only confusing but full of hypocrisy. I find it somewhat disorienting to find people IN the occult judging and pointing fingers as if they too are religious zealots over business decisions made between practitioners and clients, or teachers and students, which are PRIVATE. It's more than childish for people to being saying: "Woo, you slept with so-and-so, blah blah." What is this, high school?

As for people being "choosy" about who they will or will not work with: I've watched others make serious mistakes picking so-called professionals (not necessarily occult practitioners) who *must* fit in some category but the client forgets all the other reasons why you hire such a person. [Say you hired an electrician who had to be white and italian but had no good skills. Your home caught on fire.]

I'm not picky either. Gay, Irish, black, whatever. If a person is sincere and has cash, I'd be happy to help if I can. Mo, if you get too busy, send 'em to me.

 
Posted by rakshasi on Saturday, June 13, 2009 - 2:15 PM
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Night_wishes

 
I was with a Dianic Group of women for awhile, which I really enjoyed practicing with a group. The celebrations, etc. But there was a reverse discrimination, as they were lesbian, and I was not. So I felt I was completely accepted. As I'm sensitive, they didn't have to say it, as I could feel it, so, became a solitary. But, I really did enjoy the experience with them, while it lasted. My moral code, is the "Golden Rule". I don't do to others what I wouldn't want done to me". Simple but I think, good. Astara

 
Posted by Night_wishes on Friday, June 19, 2009 - 10:33 PM
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Leslie

 
We are all a part of the Divine.  The problem being that some of us decided to think that we are above others at times.
Whateva!

Thanks Moloch,

Leslie
 
Posted by Leslie on Wednesday, June 24, 2009 - 3:13 AM
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