Posted by Valentine Technocracy on May 28, 2009 - Thursday - 11:02 PM
Energy can neither be created nor destroyed, thus the sum total of energy in the universe stays the same. Nothing just Pops into existence "Ala Creation", energy simply changes forms.
Posted by triple on June 7, 2009 - Sunday - 3:03 PM
why do you say that energy can neither be created nor destroyed. how do you know this?
Posted by Valentine Technocracy on June 13, 2009 - Saturday - 3:48 PM
Because scientist have been trying to prove otherwise for three hundred years with no success. It's the fundamental law of the conservation of energy Triple, energy can neither be created nor destroyed. The great thing about this claim is that it's falsifiable, but has never been falsified.
Energy is never created nor destroyed, it is only converted. Let's say I have a piece of coal, how would I go about destroying it? If I crushed it I'd just be scattering the energy about in smaller parts or condensing the energy, if I burned it I would only be converting the molecular energy into other forms of energy (heat mostly) and that energy released from the burning of the coal would happily absorb into other molecular structures and energize them. So by burning the coal I may be creating heat, light, and smoke and gas but I wouldn't be creating new energy, I would only be transforming energy between states.
Now we have no logical reason to believe that energy can be created or destroyed. Everything that begins and everything that ends is the process by which energy changes form. Think about this next time you're eating.
Posted by triple on June 14, 2009 - Sunday - 8:26 AM
very interesting. have you tried this experiment of transforming energy of coal to verify this?
Posted by triple on June 14, 2009 - Sunday - 8:28 AM
Oh and I I almost forgot. I understand that this is a law of TD. But the other part of the question which I think is important was "how do you know this?"
Posted by Valentine Technocracy on June 18, 2009 - Thursday - 6:21 AM
Triple, the great thing about Thermo Dynamics is that the Law of the Conservation of Energy is falsifiable, and has never been falsified. Until an example of energy being created or an example of energy being destroyed is presented, then it is reasonable to conclude that energy can not be created nor destroyed.
So to answer your question "How do I know?" I know because of evidence Triple. I don't claim absolute magic knowledge like you do with your invisible god friend though. If what I know about the conservation of energy were overturned by new evidence tomorrow I would be extremely excited, because the discovery that energy could be created would unlock limitless possibilities for perpetual energy devices, and I've always been fascinated with perpetual motion. The discovery that energy could be destroyed would open up new ways to look at the disposal of toxic matter, and maybe even provide a way to eventually destroy black holes (a looming natural threat in our galaxy). It would be more than Nobel worthy, if someone discovered that energy COULD be created or destroyed that person would become an instant hero to me. I'm not going to hold my breath though, because everything we do know about energy suggests that it can not be created nor destroyed.
Posted by triple on June 20, 2009 - Saturday - 11:53 AM
you had mentioned earlier that scientists had been trying to do this for the last 300 years.
have you read all the reports of scientist conducting these experiments of the last 300 years?
From what you wrote earlier you mentioned that you had conducted this "coal experiment" in the form of BBQs you've had. Have you observed all tests performed on this particular subject?
additionally, no need to insult God please. just stick with the discussion and that would be appreciated. thanks.
Posted by Valentine Technocracy on June 21, 2009 - Sunday - 12:21 PM
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"have you read all the reports of scientist conducting these experiments of the last 300 years?"
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No, and why is that relevant? If your insinuation is that someone has falsified the law of energy conservation, please present the falsification. Certainly the scientific community is unaware of it, so you might want to present it to them as well.
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"From what you wrote earlier you mentioned that you had conducted this "coal experiment" in the form of BBQs you've had. Have you observed all tests performed on this particular subject?"
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No, and why does it matter? When I burn coal I don't need an electron microscope and an LHC collider to see what's happening, I can see the smoke, I can feel the heat, I can smell the fumes. There's no logical reason to conclude that the energy is simply vanishing.
Anyway if you think you've got the where-with-all to falsify the law of energy conservation have at it.
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"additionally, no need to insult God please. just stick with the discussion and that would be appreciated. thanks."
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I didn't insult any god or gods Triple, but maybe you found the word "magic" insulting. Maybe if I said "miracle" it would be better?
V
I would continue to ask...If you haven't read all the test conducted in the last 300 years on energy how many have you read?
You said you said you haven't observed all test conducted on these claims...how do you know that this law of conservation is true?