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Adrian Sanders


Last Updated: 11/18/2009

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Gender: Male
Status: Married
Age: 50
Sign: Taurus

City: Paignton
State: Southwest
Country: UK
Signup Date: 7/17/2006
Sunday, October 18, 2009 

Current mood:  thoughtful
Category: News and Politics

With the stock market recovering some of its losses, house prices rising moderately, optimism being reported locally and nationally, is there light at the end of the tunnel, or is it an express train hurtling toward us?

 
The message from the party conferences was that we are going to have to tighten our belts as the economy recovers.  The big question is when should this happen?  Should it be straight away, immediately after the next election, or some other time?  My answer is not for a long while yet.

I read a recent article in the Economist quoting Nouriel Roubini, an economics professor at New York University's Stern School of Business.  He warned of a slow, U-shaped economic recovery, with below-trend growth for two to three years. (Optimists predict a V-shape, with recovery as rapid as the slide into recession.)  He fears that surplus economies like China and Japan will not boost consumption enough to make up for the downturn in American consumer spending

In general, those who agree with him take the line that the unprecedented actions of governments and central banks (enormous fiscal deficits, near-zero interest rates and “quantitative easing”) may have jolted the global economy temporarily into life, but they have not resolved the underlying causes of the mess.  They worry that consumers and companies remain excessively indebted, and that cutting back on borrowing will quickly stamp out any recovery.


I also read Robert Reich, the former US Secretary of Labor who is now a professor at the University of California at Berkeley.   He wrote a piece entitled ‘The truth about unemployment that no one wants to tell you’.

Unemployment will almost certainly be in double-digits next year and may remain there for some time.  And for every person who shows up as unemployed you can bet there's another either too discouraged to look for work or working part time who'd rather have a full-time job or else taking home less pay than before (I'm in the last category, now that the University of California has instituted pay cuts).  And there's yet another person who's more fearful that he or she will be next to lose a job.”

 
“Let me say this as clearly and forcefully as I can: The federal government should be spending even more than it already is on roads and bridges and schools and parks and everything else we need.  It should make up for cutbacks at the state level, and then some.  This is the only way to put Americans back to work. We did it during the Depression. It was called the WPA.”


Then I heard an interview with
the Director of the Washington based Trends Institute claiming that oil dealers are ditching the dollar in fear that the US economy is not recovering sustainably from the recession.  It is the use of the dollar for oil trading that allows the Federal Reserve to print money the rest of the world has to use.

 
Three separate US experts in the past month who are warning we are a long way out of recession yet.

 
Then I read an article by David Blanchflower, respected UK economist and former member of the Bank of England monetary policy committee.  He was responding to calls for immediate cuts to public spending, claiming that they had the potential to push the UK economy into a “death spiral”.

 
He advises that lesson number one in a deep recession is you don’t cut public spending until you are into the boom phase.  “The consequences of cutting too soon is to drive the economy into depression.  That means rapidly rising unemployment, social disorder, rising poverty, falling living standards and even soup kitchens”.

 
Or as Robert Reich in the States put it:  But if government doesn’t spend more right now and get Americans back to work, we could be out of work for years.  And the debt will be with us even longer.  And politics could get much uglier”.

The message to our leaders on both sides of the Atlantic is stop worrying about paying off debt until you have helped to create a sustained and lasting economic recovery. 

 
In the meantime there is plenty of work to do and lots of people looking for work.  Matching the two will be the route to recovery. 

 
 
 
 
Currently listening:
Close to the Edge
By Yes
Release date: 2003-08-25
William

 
More on the plight of the poor and unemployed in this recession; probably not relevant to all of the above,

This morning, I had occassion to query a credit card bill - seems I owed Sir Menzies Campbell a drink- actually I've been charged an annual ammount of £30 for card cover, on top of the usuall 93pence and three farthings.

My first call was referred and the numbers I was then given were for a different bank in a different area.

I hav'nt got to the bottom of the sudden huge bill for credit care insurance yet - if it's real then it's new and big and probably came through in the mountains of small print alterations to the agreement I seem to get every month.

Leaving aside my paranoia as to which banks I'm suddenly dealing with, £30 quid is a lot to suddenly have to pay out and could induce heart failure in anyoneoon a low income  already on the brink or in debt.  I'm not on that high an income myself and I'm always on the look out for charges which help the banks and credit card companies cover other people's debt's.

I could never work out how the govt could claim low inflation when these things keep coming through and it gleefully lets house prices rise.

With bills mounting and hidden inflation and the low and unwaged struggling to the bank eveery week to sort out the housekeeping bills, this is no tiem to prescribel belt tightening, especially when we know it's to feed the banks and specualtors.  George Osborne is at the same game, promising auserity, whicle the Tories feed their friends in the city.

If teh government does not realise quickly exactly what a recession and economic recovery involve, or even what an economy is the social consequences of the mess we're all in will be unprecedented.

Alastair Darling and Brown should have fed some of their trillion pound bail out into the economy by increasing the spending power of the lowest paid and unwaged.  Now it's lost forever and if right and left on both sides of the atlantic get it wrong the problem will double by the spring.

 
Posted by William on Wednesday, October 21, 2009 - 3:33 PM
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William

 
i) The Tory death spiral began a long time ago, they are just taking a long time about it.  They rejected the reforms put forwards during the 1960s almost as soon as they won the 1983 election and purged the people who had worked so hard on them, including senior cabinet ministers.   David Cameron and George Osborne are dangerous reactionaries and are putting forwards economis policies (austerity and self flaggelation) based on attitude, not theory, let alone  economics or any degree of fairness.

Currently, I'm not aware that David Cameron has any policies.  Like a vulture he seesm to rely on scavenging and government unpopularity.  I think he's also as big a populist and spin merchant as Tony Blair in his time.

I'm sure we LibDems are in the ascendency.  We're known to be more proactive, thanks to a steady increas in our representation in parliament and have been able to get a fuller manifesto across, thanks to Vince Cable and to Nick Cleggs ability to grasp and pursue issues.  We also know an awful lot about the other parties at locla level as well as national if they want a fight.  Obviously we cant be complacent - there's anelection to win next year and the others will fight hard and probably use us as battle gound instead of fighting one another.

I think the public are also painfully that the lack of real democracy in this country has had tangible and terrible effects on the quality and competence of government.   I'm still hoping for a U shaped house of commons, which other countries have,  with each party having it's sector around the speaker so we can be better represented and proper debates and consideration take place.

ii) I'm cynical about any sort of recovery, let alone a real one.  Headline stock market recovery and house pricerrs are no comfort, especially the latter, which is basically inflation and likely to draw scarce mony away from industry and the retail sector.  We aslo seem to have suffered a big reduction in choice, at least in my local shops and I suspect some sort of perverse old muscovite economic  policies  at foot.  I'can't wait to queue for sugar.

iii) So often in the past, economic recovery has fallen on the few.  Unemplyment isn't a simple symptom of recession.  It aslo represents inequality - the recovery in the late 1980s left 3 million still unemployed. 

iv)We have lost too many firms and factories, one aday at one stage round here, and no-one seems to grasp the need to get new ones going and to get real investment re started. 

Basically, the investment cycle which began in the 1980s has passed on and it's owners cashed in their chips and retired.

v) We've gone down ever since thatcher ditched the single market - there is less choice in the shops now than  when she took office.  Bair / Brown govt has done no more than her gang in Europe labour never do; they've gone back to their old national socilist ways and are avoiding solutions as usual  Maybe Mandy was a saboteur.

Government has  done nothing to tackel hedge funds and bonus rackets and any stock market boom will be drained off the same way.  I wouldn't be surprised if the banks were in trouble agiain next spring.
 
Posted by William on Wednesday, October 21, 2009 - 3:33 PM
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