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Gender: Female
Status: Married
Age: 53
Sign: Scorpio

State: Colorado
Country: US
Signup Date: 8/7/2006

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Sunday, April 22, 2007 

Current mood:  exhausted
Category: Writing and Poetry
Okay, in response to questions and comments from a variety of sources, it's time I set some myths to rest about publishing and the life of an author. If other issues crop up enough, I'll address them later.

Myth 1. Authors are rich. They are in the writing business to make a quick buck—Contrary to popular belief, the great majority of authors are not only not rich, they don't even make their living at writing. Here's the deal:

A small percentage of the population attempt to write one or more books. Of those people, only small fraction complete even a single manuscript. Then, only a modest number of those folks manage to sell their books to professional publishers. From that limited group of authors, a small proportion actually eke out a living from writing. (Most of them are supported, at least in part, by the earnings and benefits of a spouse or significant other.) Out of this teensy minority of those who began the writing journey, a handful get truly rich.

Kevin and I are very fortunate in that we get to make our income from doing very satisfying, enjoyable work that we chose. For this privilege, however, we work every day of the week and almost every day of the year. Our friends and families don't get to see us nearly as much as they'd like to. We also have a mortgage, car payments, repair bills, and so on. We do our own grocery shopping, cook our own meals (well, Kevin does, mostly), do the dishes, take out the trash, and clean the cat box.

Sorry to disappoint, but—in spite of what you see in movies—publishers don't hold champagne book signings for us at which hundreds of lavishly dressed sophisticates show up and stand in long lines to get our autographs. Sigh. (If any of our editors or publishers are out there reading this, feel free to correct this situation. ;-) Our personal theory is that God gave us book signings to keep authors humble. Don't ever be hesitant to come see us if we're doing a signing in your area. You'll make our day. (Are you listening, members of the 501st?)

Myth 2. A good book is free of discrepancies, contradictions, typos, and other flaws. Any errors that get through mean that the author and publisher are lazy or sloppy or just didn't bother—My father (who holds two Masters degrees) taught English for more than a quarter century, and I grew up learning excellent grammar, punctuation, and spelling. Nothing irked me more than mistakes in my reading material. I frequently toyed with the idea of writing to the publishers and offering them my obviously much-needed services.

Then I became a proofreader, next a copyeditor, then an editor, and (last) an author. Wow. What a bucket of cold, wet reality over the head! Believe it or not, there are so many levels of errors to watch for that no one person—or ten people, for that matter—can catch them all, whether the work in question is fiction or nonfiction (and blogs are another animal completely).

Each person along the publishing line tends to look for different sorts of problems, and even these people can let things slip, because no human has 100% concentration. Kevin and I even add an extra level of readers on each manuscript to strain out some of the bigger problems before we even send a book on to the editor.

I once had an editor tell me that a manuscript I had turned in was one of the cleanest she had ever seen in her years of publishing. After that, several levels of clean-up pros took over, after which I went through the typeset copy again. There were still a few typos in the published book—though precious few, I'm happy to say.

I tried to explain all of this to my father the retired English teacher, and he (proud of his error-hunting prowess) did not believe me. He explained that someone who was truly knowledgeable in the English language, with its attendant rules of spelling, grammar, and the elements of style, could deliver a perfectly clean manuscript to anyone willing to pay for such expert services. Naturally, we hired him part-time to help us give our books the added polish that they need.

After proofing our galleys for more than two years now, my dad has a new respect for the complexity of the publishing industry. As those of you who read our books know, errors still sneak through. Even if we took up every person who offered their additional services to spiff up our novels, perfection is not a viable option. But rest assured that we care about our readers and always work hard to give you books that are as fault-free as possible within the allotted time and budget as possible.

For those of you whose hobby is catching mistakes, don't let us stand in your way. But don't bother protesting that you could do a far better job. You might correct a different set of booboos if you got a chance to replace one of the current professionals who works on our books, but you wouldn't catch them all.

Scoff, if you like, but I developed this opinion over the course of 20 years in publishing and having more than 30 books published by professional publishers. So, am I putting myself forward as an authority on this matter? Ja, you betcha. Nervy, huh?

Yikes! I was going to add one more subject to this blog, but I've run way over the amount of time I gave myself to get this written. I've got to get back to editing book 3 in the CRYSTAL DOORS series, Sky Realm. I've got a looming deadline and a paycheck to earn. . . .

ciao,*

Rebecca

*This multipurpose Italian salutation is used in an advised, tongue-in-cheek manner and in no way implies a corresponding chicness, shallowness, or worldliness on the part of the author. (Additional pejoratives may apply. Void where prohibited by law. Ask your physician if Ciao is right for you.)
Currently listening:
Williams on Williams: The Classic Spielberg Scores
By John Williams
Release date: 14 November, 1995
R.J.
R Perry

 
Great Post. I love reading or/and writing to John Williams as well. You may wish to give David Arnold's excellent Stargate soundtrack a try. Rebecca Moesta Publishing Mythbusters..hmm someone needs to contact the Sci Fi channel, I smell a hit series. :D
 
Posted by R.J. on Sunday, April 22, 2007 - 6:14 PM
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Walk Fast, Type Fast, and Never Break a Deadline

 
Great tips. I thought careful editing could get rid of all possible mistakes too. Then I became Copy Editor at my school newspaper. Needless to say, I was mortified when my friend pointed out a mistake on a piece I had written and then meticulously edited three times. No one's perfect.
 
Posted by Walk Fast, Type Fast, and Never Break a Deadline on Sunday, April 22, 2007 - 8:08 PM
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Very good points.  All writers should realize this, but it should not stop them from being a writer.  If a person truely loves to write, then he'll continue to write.  And--who knows--maybe someday a writer will make it big.....   Who can tell. Just keep writing, eh?
 
Posted by -AAA- on Sunday, April 22, 2007 - 10:26 PM
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SF/F copyeditor

 
These are great points. Even as perfectionistic as I am, I still catch mistakes in my second pass copyediting a book that I missed in the first pass...and as much as I'd like to think I catch everything in every second pass, I have enough years in the industry to know that no one does.

Mistakes can creep in at every phase of the production process, and it is impossible to tell--without having every version of the manuscript, galleys, page proofs, film, and previous printings in front of you--whose "fault" any mistake is.

 
Posted by SF/F copyeditor on Monday, April 23, 2007 - 12:56 AM
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J. K. Lee
Janet Lee

 

Hey there--

Yeah.  I personally always like to point out that a 1% error rate would equate to an error every one to two pages.  The quality of most books is phenominal, really.  (And I say "most" in response to my time in POD).  And I'm the one who can't listen to the opening for Star Trek without cringing at the split infinitive.

I'm still waiting for Mike to get that mansion and yacht.  In the meantime, we're just grateful he's making more as a full-time writer than he did at his day job last year.  You didn't mention how scary it is to have regular bills while waiting on the publishing check to come in! 

Thanks, Rebecca "Myth-Buster"!

Janet


 
Posted by J. K. Lee on Monday, April 23, 2007 - 6:20 PM
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SandChigger, Granson of Mahmud Fremenbiter

 
Rebecca, I'll respond to your reply here, if you don't mind.

The demand may be unrealistic given, as you point out, that writers are only human, but what's wrong with setting up "total consistency" as an ideal? Especially for professionals?

Farok's magical arm and Shaddam's birth-year are two infamous FH flubs. And I think I found a whopper of an inconsistency in Dan Simmons' RISE OF ENDYMION yesterday morning...so I understand what you mean. I just can't agree with what I see as the conclusion/attitude resulting from the facts. Hopefully I'm misreading you, but it almost seems to me like you're saying, "We're only human, we make mistakes, that's the way the world is, what can we do?" Non-apologetic, in other words.

I wasn't thinking so much of the checking features of word processors as of the search ones. True, no mechanical checking routine is going to catch something like your "character sitting down twice" example; only careful rereading by a human being will catch those errors. But the eye color one? Sorry, but I don't buy that; all you'd have to do—what you or your fact checker should do if you're going to call yourself a professional—is search the earlier book(s) for every occurrence of the word "eye" and check whether there is mention of the color of a given character's eyes. (And just to be doubly sure, search for every mention of that character's name and reread those passages, too.) I use TextWrangler on OS X to grep files using regular expression search patterns; there's usually very little you can't find using the right search.

And of course the best solution would be to keep a special text or database (FileMaker Pro, for example) file containing such vital statistics for all your characters.

And still errors would creep in, I know. Other, experienced authors may be more forgiving than readers...but that doesn't mean it's really acceptable.

(I was kind of sad to see you use the ole "maybe you should write a book" line. I'm not a fiction writer...or a still hoping or failed wannabe. I do occasionally dabble in parody for my own amusement and to poke fun, but I have no aspirations to follow your and Kevin's lead.)
 
Posted by SandChigger, Granson of Mahmud Fremenbiter on Tuesday, April 24, 2007 - 2:40 AM
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Kevin J Anderson

 
"all you'd have to do—what you or your fact checker should do if you're going to call yourself a professional—is search the earlier book(s) for every occurrence of the word "eye" and check whether there is mention of the color of a given character's eyes. (And just to be doubly sure, search for every mention of that character's name and reread those passages, too.)"

I'm sure you actually believe this, Chigger, but such a suggestion is absolutely, mind-bogglingly unrealistic. So, now that I'm on volume 7 of The Saga of Seven Suns, someone should read all previous six novels searching for "every occurrence of the word 'eye'" and check for every single character (of about fifty characters)? Now that there are fourteen DUNE novels, someone should do the same, reading eight thousand pages to check for eye color, or sand color, or lasgun beam color? And then do the same again the next year when another novel comes out? Each book would then take years longer to release and would cost the buyer hundreds of dollars, just to cover the additional production costs.
 
Posted by Kevin J Anderson on Sunday, April 29, 2007 - 4:23 PM
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SandChigger, Granson of Mahmud Fremenbiter

 
No, Kevin, what I actually believe is that YOU should have enough control over YOUR OWN fictional creation that you either remember or know where to check (in the books or a character bio file you've created) to find out what color a particular character's eyes or hair was. Why should fact checkers or the publisher be relied on to do something which is the writer's responsibility?

Arguments like "What, read 8,000 pages every time a book comes out?! It'd take forever to get a book out! You couldn't afford it!" may convince someone like Superman, but...come on. What kind of information is in that concordance Brian is supposed to have created if not this sort of information? And what are all those Dune expert proofreaders getting paid for if not to check such things? (Check once, keep a record and you only have to check the record next time.) What's "mind-boggling" is that you expect someone to be convinced by this.

And really, would a bit more time spent on each book be such a bad thing? Oh, right, I forgot, bills to pay and all.
 
Posted by SandChigger, Granson of Mahmud Fremenbiter on Tuesday, May 01, 2007 - 12:09 AM
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Brian

 

I was somewhat surprised to see you interpret Rebecca’s comments in such a negative light.  I took her comments to be a reminder that, while, yes, they are human, and are prone to mistakes, the industry as a whole has put in as many checks as is practical to maintain as high a rate of consistency as possible.

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Should an author strive for perfection in their work?  Of course they should.  Should an author, and a publishing organization apply a “Zero Defects” policy?  Absolutely.

 

But….

 

Zero Defects is only a goal.  The intent (as I learned in my QS9000 classes so long ago) is to set a goal that is theoretically possible, and then put in place a continuous improvement loop to find ways to improve the process, and perform QA checks on the product.

 

This is what I see happening here, with the number of checks and re-checks that happen in the editing process.  Could they continue to do more checks and rechecks? Absolutely! 

 

Now lets apply another business concept – Diminishing Returns.  At some point the value gained by further refining a process is outweighed by the cost to further refine the process.  Each step in the editing process has an inherent cost to the finished goods.  If you tried to edit every single mistake, no matter how small, you would end up with a perfect piece of literature that no one could afford to read.

 

With that said, I don’t think you are comparing apples to apples with your grep analogy to the eye color one.  In writing there are too many ways to mention a persons eye color to do an eye / color check.  The color may be mentioned a variable number of words before or after the word “eye”.  Even if you could generate an association with colors and the word eye with in an arbitrary distance from one another, how then would you determine if two were truly related?  A character with brown eyes could have their eyes on a blue diamond.  I think you would end up just changing one set of errors for another.

 

Really, the thing to remember, is that in the great scheme of things, the books we read for entertainment are just that… Entertainment.  At the end of the day, does it make a difference to the overall plot of the story if a character sits twice, or has a momentary eye color change? In my humble opinion it does not make a difference.

 

So my message to you is – stop analyzing what you read – just enjoy it!  If it bugs you that much, let the publishing company know.  Leave the author to do what they do best – create.

 


 
Posted by Brian on Tuesday, April 24, 2007 - 2:08 PM
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SandChigger, Granson of Mahmud Fremenbiter

 
Hi, Brian.

Other than the (overly?) simplified style, my biggest problem with the new Dune novels are what I see as the inconsistencies they contain with respect to the original novels. I've debated this very issue with others over on the DN BBS and so am a bit sensitized to the whole issue, you might say. Kevin knows this is a pet peeve of mine and, I assume, Rebecca does as well. I don't know of any consistency problems with Rebecca's novels, so I assume the controversy among Dune fans over the new novels was part of the motivation behind this part of the post. (Or, at the very least, of Kevin's for reposting it.) If that assumption is wrong, then my bad.

Note that when discussing grepping files I specifically mentioned *rereading* the passages turned up in a search. There is no sure-fire mechanical way to insure consistency; the fallible human factor will always be part of the equation. Probably the safest thing is, as I also mentioned, keeping a file of the mentioned characteristics of each character. Extra work, sure, but isn't that part of the job?

I'm sorry, but I'm the kind of person who can't completely enjoy something if it's not consistent. If author can't keep the facts of their own created universe straight, then in my opinion they are not doing their best. There are any number of valid *explanations* for why such errors occur. I have yet to see one valid *excuse* for them.
 
Posted by SandChigger, Granson of Mahmud Fremenbiter on Wednesday, April 25, 2007 - 8:40 AM
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Brian

 

If your consistany issues are with the new Dune novels, you probably should have replied on Kevins blog, and maintained the thread of the discussion there, or in both places.

You take me right back to what I said about diminishing returns.  You may further reduce the number of cosmetic errors / inconsistancies, but at what cost?  How much are you willing to pay for a book?

I value consistancy as well, but I am a realist.  I am willing to accept that there is a possibility that there will be some small errors.  So long as the errors are few and have only a small impact on the story line that is fine. Of course, if the books are plaged with errors that effect the story, I just quit reading them, and shy away from the author in questions work. 

On the Dune novels imparticular, since you narrowed the focus to them, you are not alone when you talk about the differences between Frank Herbert's Dune, and Brian and Kevin's dune.  I've had several other people I know make various comments on the differences.  I have even though about what I would have done differently had it been me writing those books.

The fact of the matter is that it is Brian and Kevin's vision driving the Dune universe now, and while Frank left a wonderfull roadmap and notes for them to follow, they still arnt Frank.  Each person has there own personal vision of how the landscape of the story goes.

Brian and Kevin, as writers are going to paint Franks world in the way that they see it as artists.  You have to get beyond the fact that they are not Frank.  If you can't, If it bothers you that much, stop reading the books.  It is just entertainment after all...

 


 
Posted by Brian on Thursday, April 26, 2007 - 1:21 PM
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SandChigger, Granson of Mahmud Fremenbiter

 
I chose to continue the discussion here in response to Rebecca's reply and because I don't agree with the general idea she espouses. The inconsistencies (as I see them) in the new Dune books are simply what I'm most interested in at the moment.

So let's take a different example. In reading the early chapters of Dan Simmon's RISE OF ENDYMION, it is revealed that the Pope still has attached to his body the cruciforms of both Lenar Hoyt and Paul Duré. But IIRC Duré's cruciform was removed by the Shrike when he was in the Hyperion Labyrinth. It may be that this is explained in the remainder of the book, but from my current perspective, this is an obvious inconsistency, possibly introduced simply to enable inclusion of the scene where the Church murders the newly resurrected Duré so that Hoyt can be resurrected next and resume his role as Pope or—as I currently suspect—to allow the possibility of Hoyt being killed and Duré resurrected to fight the Pax from within the Church hierarchy...an interesting development and addition to the story.

I understand that an author may come up with a brilliant idea for use in a later book but be hampered in including it by contradictory details included in a previous one. The measure of the author lies in his or her ability to present the new "fact" in a way that allows the reader to continue to maintain that ole willing suspension of disbelief. (Have you ever heard of anybody complaining about Gandalf's return? "But...but...he fell into the abyss with the Balrog and died!")

Whitewashing apparent errors with "sh*t happens" or telling the reader "There are no inconsistencies, you just haven't read carefully enough" is, in my opinion, the tactic of an inferior writer. If it's all just for entertainment, then why should I have to work so hard?

But you're right: maybe I should stop reading the new Dune books. Any FH in them is too well hidden for me to detect and Heaven knows they don't do anything for my blood pressure.
 
Posted by SandChigger, Granson of Mahmud Fremenbiter on Thursday, April 26, 2007 - 9:00 PM
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Brian

 
BTW - Please forgive the spelling and grammer errors, I had to post when Bellsouth showed up to work on my lines...
 
Posted by Brian on Thursday, April 26, 2007 - 1:55 PM
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Rebecca Moesta

 
I am definitely *not* being a naysayer. I don't want to discourage anyone who wants to write, either! My point is to approach your writing goals realistically. Don't get the Hollywood image of how success works in publishing, and don't imagine that the process is going to be simple. (It's tough work in a fickle field.) My point is to warn new authors that they have to do the work. (For an average of 15-25 years, though some writers succeed more quickly, and others take longer.) The people who really make it in writing are those with the persistence to keep going.

For me, writing is my job, and my full-time profession. I want people to jump in here and write and be successful. That's why I'm doing my best to offer the truth, as I have experienced it for 20 or so years, 30 fiction books, 10 nonfiction workbooks, short stories, and nonfiction articles. Go in with your eyes wide open, and if you don't let anyone stop you, you'll probably succeed.
 
Posted by Rebecca Moesta on Sunday, April 29, 2007 - 5:41 AM
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SandChigger, Granson of Mahmud Fremenbiter

 
Maybe you'll be one of the fortunate few, but offhand I'd say the numbers support Rebecca's contention.

(Anybody ever seen any stats on the number of successful—or even published—authors compared to the number of wannabes out there?)
 
Posted by SandChigger, Granson of Mahmud Fremenbiter on Sunday, April 29, 2007 - 1:49 AM
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Kevin J Anderson

 
I'm very puzzled that you would read no-nonsense advice from a successful professional author as "discouraging." When I was an aspiring author, I was desperate to get any sort of real information on the business of writing and publishing. It was all a mystery to me (and still is sometimes). Rebecca and I give frequent lectures and workshops titled "Things I wish some pro had told me when I was starting out" and "How to be an overnight success in twenty years or less." Rebecca and I are both judges for the Writers of the Future contest, and we teach the winning students every year. I can't even count how many times we have tried to help out aspiring authors.

Are you suggesting that if you intended to open a restaurant, you *wouldn't* want other successful restaurant owners to warn you of pitfalls, to give you realistic expectations of the business, or dispel some of the myths that naive or ill-prepared people fall prey to? That isn't "concentrating" on the negatives, it's telling how the business really works in a way that only someone with a great deal of experience can tell.
 
Posted by Kevin J Anderson on Sunday, April 29, 2007 - 4:14 PM
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Rebecca Moesta

 
Okay, I'm copying your list of questions for a later blog. These do not belong in the Myths category, though. They'll go in Q&A for New or Aspiring Writers. Unfortunately — or fortunately, in the sense that I am gainfully employed — I still have a book deadline; it may take a while to answer the questions. Don't give up. I'll get to them.
 
Posted by Rebecca Moesta on Thursday, May 03, 2007 - 10:28 PM
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Kent Whitaker The Deck Chef Author & Writer
Kent Whitaker

 
I agree with the blog. My newest kids book is coming off the press this week. Another book in the cooking world is due in stores at the end of the summer. That makes six books from three different publishers. This is a tough business. When people ask what I do I tell them I work in Advertising and PR as my insurance job... and I'm a writer.

People always expect my wife Ally and I to vacation all of the time and own lots of fun toys. Many people I meet are surprised that I mow my own grass. I would never tell someone not to become a writer. I also tell them that it is very hard work. The writing may actually be the easy part. You can be creative, do something you enjoy and work at your own pace. The business side is tough. Meetings, editing, marketing... rejection.

I love articles that tell it like it is. Never give up on a dream, but be realistic about what you are getting into. You would not buy a car or home without being informed. This is no different.
 
Posted by Kent Whitaker The Deck Chef Author & Writer on Monday, April 30, 2007 - 2:41 PM
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M B Parker

 
I have been a writer for as long as I can remember, and now I am finally a published one. By day, I am the dreaded English instructor at a local community college, and by night (after the husband and children are asleep--or at least quiet), I am writer, editor, and (self) publisher. Luckily, I do have summers off, and with the semester coming to a close in the next few weeks, I will have lots of time to dedicate to marketing, promotion, and--of course--more writing.

Until now, I would not have agreed, but I must concede...writing (though there are difficult moments) is by far the easy part. Marketing and promotion are birds of another species altogether. Still, I would not trade a drop of it for anything...well, maybe I would trade the agonizing moments just before a scheduled book signing.
 
Posted by M B Parker on Tuesday, May 01, 2007 - 1:16 AM
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