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July 5, 2009 - Sunday 

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Category: Religion and Philosophy
Get this:

"ISTANBUL (Reuters) – What happens when you put a Muslim imam, a Christian priest, a rabbi and a Buddhist monk in a room with 10 atheists?

Turkish television station Kanal T hopes the answer is a ratings success as it prepares to launch a gameshow where spiritual guides from the four faiths will seek to convert a group of non-believers."


Golly-gee! What a fantabulous idea! What do I win if I get to be the special chosen evil heathen sinner to go? God! It's almost like winning a car on Price is Right, but without actually winning anything.

Awesome thing about this little shabang,... apparently it "doesn't matter which religion you believe in. The important thing is to believe". So all you have to do is pick a flavor. You can have god served up with curry, Matzah Ball soup, Persian rice cakes, Jeezits and wine, or plain ol' fried chicken for those favoring the Southern Baptist taste. Just be sure not to remain a non-believer, as they "don't approve of anyone being an atheist".

Funny how it's alright for someone to say that regarding atheists,... but gawds forbid if I were to openly proclaim that I don't approve of anyone being, say... Jewish. I'd be cast down as a horrid anti-Semite. But hey, who needs consistency when you can take god home as a door-prize?

I have to wonder what would motivate a non-beleiver to take part. Convert and get a free vacation. Don't convert, and... um... a copy of the home game? I'd say that the atheists are there just to try to get the free trip, but "A team of theologians will ensure that the atheists are truly non-believers and are not just seeking fame or a free holiday." There's just no way a evil heathen could pull one over on them... after all, it's not like they are gullible enough to believe in talking snakes or zombie-like resurrections. Right?

What's next? A show giving away long ICU stays to the first contestant to get malaria?

Having likely pissed off a good number of believers who read with my sarcasm, I'm off to fix some grub for the rugrat.

Side note: since when do Buddhists go out of their way to convert? That is something i've yet to encounter...
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Perfectly Disordered
Eliza Beth

 
I think the next game show should be: Pick your death. For believers and their sins.

What? I'd watch.

 
Posted by Perfectly Disordered on July 5, 2009 - Sunday - 8:46 PM
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King Without A Crown
Anthony Briones

 
An Example of False Religion and Babylon
 
Posted by King Without A Crown on July 8, 2009 - Wednesday - 7:30 PM
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Khaos Pants™

 
They need Classical Options like Stoning, Beheading, Burning etc... Anyone got Smores?

 
Posted by Khaos Pants™ on July 5, 2009 - Sunday - 11:23 PM
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Benae Hussein (A Proud Army Veteran!!!)

 
Hmm I would watch that also

 
Posted by Benae Hussein (A Proud Army Veteran!!!) on July 5, 2009 - Sunday - 9:14 PM
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Brent
Brent Slensker

 
...getting out the popcorn!!....

 
Posted by Brent on July 5, 2009 - Sunday - 9:28 PM
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Khaos Pants™

 
So basically it's a Show with a Christian, a Jew, A Muslim and an Atheist (Yes: Buddhism is an Atheist Philosophy) who are there to try and convince people that something with an absolute lack of evidence to indicate it's anything more than a delusion or bad idea actually exists? Response to you side note: As afore mentioned Buddism contrary to popular stupidity is not a Religion but Rather a Philosophy the has no Deity or Higher Power to worship or believe in but rather a Goal of Absolute Conscious Awareness (Peak Evolution?)...

 
Posted by Khaos Pants™ on July 5, 2009 - Sunday - 11:22 PM
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The Odradek

 
Most Buddhists sects have nothing to say about converting others; it's no sort of duty in any of the sutras. 
J/I/C, unfortunately, all do talk about that sort of duty, though of the three, judaism has the least talk of it.  Come to think of it, if any of the old testament books mention the need to convert, it has to be one of the last ones.. perhaps none at all?  Perhaps someone more knowledgable than I can cite a passage, if I'm wrong.

 
Posted by The Odradek on July 6, 2009 - Monday - 1:29 AM
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Mark J.A.

 
Well said!
 
Posted by Mark J.A. on July 6, 2009 - Monday - 1:50 AM
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Kenny Vegas

 
MoSHELLIE!?!  ...I always KNEW you were an anti-Semite!?  LOL!! Much love, Babycakes! *Muah!*
 
Posted by Kenny Vegas on July 6, 2009 - Monday - 2:06 AM
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Antithesis to your Existence
Fake Messiah

 
They need someone to argue for Russel's Teapot on the panel.

 
Posted by Antithesis to your Existence on July 6, 2009 - Monday - 3:21 AM
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Sheet Metal Zen

 
I like free trips.......Religion not so much. Oh I had a dream where I went to hell in an elevator. When I got off there was a Female Bellhop standing there with a greeting smile and a "Warm Welcome to Hell" I said There must be some mistake to which her reply was "Everybody says that." Hell looked alot like ancient Eygpt. Complete with an Overseer that the Bellhop took me to for my work assignment. So to the Egyptian Overseer I say"Theres been a mistake." to which he replied with a slight smile. "Thats what everybody says." (at this point I am begining to feel like I must have arrived on Comedy Night.)Then the Bellhop reappears with a small slip ofpaper hands it to the Overseer and says "Hmm It appears there was a mistake after all the Over seer signs it ansd tellsme to follow the Bellhop back to the elevator. SO I NOW HAVE A GET OUT OF HELL FREE CARD.
I am curently trying to see if I can sell it on Ebay...

Oh great blog.


 
Posted by Sheet Metal Zen on July 6, 2009 - Monday - 3:38 AM
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Chris the Cosmic Voyager

 
I don't even remember where I got it but I actually have in my possession a "Get Out of Hell Free" card that has instructions on the back for what one must apparently do to exercise the rights granted by the card.  Given all of the instructions, it doesn't actually appear to be as free as the face of the card would imply.

I, too, am a fan of free things.  I believe I could sufficiently snow the interrogator of the game so as to win my free trip.  I guess I'd have to go with Christianity though because having had that in my past, it wouldn't really be that hard to convincingly feign it.  Good thing too.  Of all the vacation choices, I'm pretty sure I'd enjoy the Vatican a great deal more than Tibet or Mecca.  Jerusalem might be sort of cool, but think of all the great art and fine architecture in Italy, and the climate seems more agreeable to me at the moment. 

I'm not advocating defrauding religious people just for the sake of meanness, but the premise of this show is so absurd that it becomes difficult for me to have much of a problem with taking advantage of it.  Besides, evangelical Buddhism?  Give me a break.  The Theravada Buddhists that I've been hanging around lately are more apt to share their beliefs than most other Buddhists I've met, and even they are quite un-evangelical (i.e., quite ecumenical, I'd say). 

 
Posted by Chris the Cosmic Voyager on July 6, 2009 - Monday - 8:40 PM
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El Solo Lobo [sumbitch]
Temy Beal

 
Oh, this is absolutely wonderful! When can we get an American version!? I always thought we'd get there eventually after I saw The Running Man.
 
Posted by El Solo Lobo [sumbitch] on July 6, 2009 - Monday - 5:36 AM
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Chris the Cosmic Voyager

 
Rather than rewarding the atheists for converting, which almost guarantees a phony conversion, why not reward the ones who are attempting the conversion and give nothing to the atheists?  That might give a far more realistic picture of how successful the would-be proselytizers have really been.  Barring collusion, that is....  But then again, how exactly would you get 10 atheists to endure sitting there and being a captive audience to a panel of rambling theologians without offering some kind of incentive?

 
Posted by Chris the Cosmic Voyager on July 6, 2009 - Monday - 8:43 PM
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@m@nd@ Twisted

 
I would watch that....maybe.

 
Posted by @m@nd@ Twisted on July 6, 2009 - Monday - 8:08 AM
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Chris the Cosmic Voyager

 
I mentioned above that the prize is on the wrong end.  We're never going to have a genuine conclusion as to how successful the theologians were.  The game is set up so as to reward the atheists for undergoing some sort of conversion.  This ensures some phony conversions, and I can't be convinced that the interrogators are really going to be able to know that this hasn't happened.  I say that the reward for successful conversion needs to go to the proselytizer, and the proselytes (targets for conversion) should be incented merely to appear on the show with nothing more for either successfully being converted or failure to be converted.  The incentive for appearing would no doubt be necessary. 

 
Posted by Chris the Cosmic Voyager on July 6, 2009 - Monday - 8:48 PM
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Lady_Hart

 
I'm not sure, but wouldn't that be called an un-reality show?? I don't even watch the reality shows. But, the grand prize would be a trip to heaven, wonder what thats worth?? So the losers get to go to hell??? Everyone is a winner in this game LOL
 
Posted by Lady_Hart on July 6, 2009 - Monday - 12:01 PM
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PhatShady

 
Oye!! Now there will never be peace in the middle east. I'm just surprised that 10 atheists have survived this long in a muslim country. Can't wait for the reunion show.
What are the odds of one of them becoming a suicide bomber?
any takers?

 
Posted by PhatShady on July 6, 2009 - Monday - 12:56 PM
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sapien

 
I would just go, "eenie, meanie, minie, moe" and be done with it.

 
Posted by sapien on July 6, 2009 - Monday - 1:24 PM
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Chris the Cosmic Voyager

 
Or deliberately choose the most scenic vacation spot.  Tibet isn't sounding very appealing despite the fact that Buddhism is by far the most interesting of the four religions being offered.

 
Posted by Chris the Cosmic Voyager on July 6, 2009 - Monday - 8:50 PM
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Chris the Cosmic Voyager

 
Episcopaleans, Church of England and Lutherans also have a priesthood.  Seems that there was at least one other Liturgical denomination that I'm now forgetting. 

 
Posted by Chris the Cosmic Voyager on July 6, 2009 - Monday - 8:53 PM
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Chris the Cosmic Voyager

 
I don't approve of anyone being a Jew!!  Or a Muslim!!  Or a Christian!! or a Buddhist!!  All that's important is that you don't believe in anything supernatural, because it's all really the same lack of god ....  It just sounds so incredibly bigoted when I slightly alter the man's own words, doesn't it?  Not that his actual words didn't already sound bigoted, but saying "atheist" in there is so much more accepted isn't it?

I'm not sure how much of a grip on reality the Islamic gentleman who made the remark actually has.  He includes Buddhists among those whose views he finds tolerable yet Buddhism ultimately doesn't have a supreme god and the whole cosmology and afterlife thing is entirely different from the Abrahamic religions.  I won't claim that Buddhism as a religion (as opposed to philosophical Buddhism) is entirely non-supernatural because it isn't.  But it surely doesn't have a god as its focus or at the very least doesn't consider the concept to be relevant. 

I guess I don't get his effort at ecumenicism.  Seems that if he's going to find us intolerable that surely he must find the Buddhists and various other eastern religions that aren't deity-focused to be equally intolerable?  Maybe he's making remarks without knowing what he's talking about?

 
Posted by Chris the Cosmic Voyager on July 6, 2009 - Monday - 8:29 PM
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Chris the Cosmic Voyager

 
That's such an old photo, but I hate to change it because it's one of my favorites ever.  Don't suppose I could get him to look so cute on my back again for a newer photo. 

 
Posted by Chris the Cosmic Voyager on July 7, 2009 - Tuesday - 3:07 AM
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Alice
Alice InWonderland

 
"A team of theologians will ensure that the atheists are truly non-believers and are not just seeking fame or a free holiday."  Is there some sort of test I didn't know about ... is it a urine test?  or is it say ... I don't know an IQ test ... How in the hell do they prove that one???  Do the theologians know something I don't ... will my aura be black???



 
Posted by Alice on July 7, 2009 - Tuesday - 12:03 AM
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Chris the Cosmic Voyager

 
I don't believe for a second that any of those clowns could tell, unless the one faking conversion was inept at it.  I had previously assumed one would need a casual knowledge of the religion to which a conversion was being faked.  That wouldn't even be necessary though, would it?  They're assuming the convertee was ignorant of the religion of choice before appearing on the game show.  One need only feign a newfound zealotry to fool the examiner.  That, or borrow some believer's urine for that urine test. 

 
Posted by Chris the Cosmic Voyager on July 7, 2009 - Tuesday - 3:12 AM
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Jesse

 
Moshellie, I approve you being an atheist. If you were to win and get God, well, I find His company to be very good, but your milage might differ. ;-)

I was not offended either. Frankly I got a belly laugh out of it. And no, Buddhists do not convert. Great job on this one!! Oh yeah, gimme the freind chicken, that is my club.
 
Posted by Jesse on July 7, 2009 - Tuesday - 9:41 PM
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Chris the Cosmic Voyager

 
I'm surprised that they were even able to find a Buddhist who would participate in this.  Now I'm even wondering about the others.  Would a sincere Christian actually want a game to be made of his or her beliefs?  I wouldn't think so.  Makes me question the sincerity of the game's creator and whether this is just a TV ratings stunt to the guy. 

 
Posted by Chris the Cosmic Voyager on July 8, 2009 - Wednesday - 6:14 PM
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eden

 
Would it have to be 10 atheists is there anyway an autistic person might find a spot in there as I'd love to be on that game show just to see how well they might hold up their end of a debate on where words came from, could ya imagine what it must be like to be just an over-used worn out word.............hehehehehe........or better yet how we acquire knowledge and how opposing views are identical in all ways but 1 and that's the words used to describe them........hehehehe..........even Jung 'n Freud couldn't see that they were arguing over the exact same idea which they were both half-right and half wrong and neither of them could see it for their words got in the way of what could have been a major breakthru
 
Posted by eden on July 8, 2009 - Wednesday - 1:00 AM
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King Without A Crown
Anthony Briones

 
An Example of False Religion and Babylon
 
Posted by King Without A Crown on July 8, 2009 - Wednesday - 7:30 PM
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CJMICHIELS
Chris Michiels

 
M You have the right idea - choose the faith that provides the best Luncheon Special -

the Jews don't care for converts, but do a great pastrami on rye, black bean sauce is great, and Buddhists don't expect you in the Temple every week, I love shwarma and Middle Eastern hommus,
 

but I guess I'll continue to get by on

my blandish little Communion wafers -
 
my soul doesn't have a very big appetite... c
 
Posted by CJMICHIELS on July 8, 2009 - Wednesday - 11:12 PM
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Russell

 
Does this mean they will be lopping off the heads of the losers?  Reality TV get a load of this!!!
 
Posted by Russell on July 10, 2009 - Friday - 10:06 PM
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