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March 1, 2007 - Thursday 

I feel that poetry has not taken a place in the mainstream, it's completely on the fringes still.  Yes there may be advertisers and mainstream commercial advertisers who may use the form, but the form itself, the art form itself, will always remain on the fringes as any art form will.  It may pop up in mainstream media, but I don't feel like the form itself has taken a place in mainstream society. 

 

In terms of poets appearing in mainstream media, I feel that there are definitely notions in the poetry community"selling out". I think with any sub-culture/fringe culture, that's going to be the biggest question.  Are you down or are you selling out?  Some people think that taking your poetry on TV is the biggest sell-out ever.  Participating in Def Poetry is a sellout.  We get notes from people because they don't want to be down with that.  And that's fine if that's where you stand and that's where you want to take your art.  I feel like it's dangerous for poets to feel the need to "well, you know, there's not a poet label, so maybe I'll try to get down with a Hip Hop label, or maybe I'll just become more musical or get down with a rock label".   I think that's dangerous because that's not the core essence of your aesthetic or your work.  I think it's just a recipe for disaster. 

 

The question is how do we define mainstream success? I think that has yet to be defined in the spoken word community, because there is this idea of just being caught in sharing your work with your community versus selling a million albums, which isn't yet a paradigm of the spoken word community.

Yanatha

 
that's a very good question. Success for me in this art is the ability to do it. It's a blessing. If we can ever defined mainstream success in this spoken word art. I hope no one sells their soul for the glitter and gold.
 
Posted by Yanatha on March 1, 2007 - Thursday - 2:02 PM
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VELVEETA

 
I feel u on this one maam!I started loosing focus a bit myself!We poets gotta grind it out for words to be heard just like mixtapes for MC's !Keep up the good fight!Keep doin it BIG!I think that until we got serious postion in "The Mainstream" period,we cant expand.Its a pretty old technique to making a difference.I truly believ that the proof is in the pudding.If you hear a lack of substance in a poet,then and only then should they be considered a sell-out.We all wanna be jheard.Doinit for the art can be the kiss of death for lots aof folks.Its all relative to the key demograhic and culture u go before!If you noticed,even comics are going the "Label" route just to get more exposure.I'm open to some crteative ways to "get in" after that,you can take it from the inside.You gotta be heard first though!
 
Posted by VELVEETA on March 5, 2007 - Monday - 5:12 AM
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QUEEN FOKUS
FOKUS NOW

 
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Well to be honest we all may try different route to mainsteam.But you and only know where you fit in.My thing is it's not selling out when you got the whole world reading or speaking the words your wrote.Also it's not sellings out by getting to places you willnever get to see.Being that most of you whom think we'll selling out, haven't never even left your town before.

 

peace & blessings in 007

STAY FOKUS TOO HATERZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

I'M ON MY WAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

from DA QUEEN herself.........................

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Posted by QUEEN FOKUS on March 6, 2007 - Tuesday - 12:45 AM
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Israel

 
***THE STRUGGLE***THIS IS GOIN' OUT TO ALL THESE PRECIOUS HOMELESS KIDS,OUR CHILDREN,SENTANCED TO THIS LIFETIME HOMELESS BID YA' DIG, I'M SICK,WHAT GIVES???WHY ARE THERE SO MANY STRUGGLIN' JUST TO LIVE???OUT HERE IN OUR BIG WORLD,TWIRLED UP,THUGGED UP,DRUGGED UP,NO ONE WILL SHUT UP...ALL BACKWARDS IN YOUR FRONT GOOD,THAT'S A FRONT,BARELY ANYONE IS STRAIGHT UP, DAT'S WASSUP!!!ALL OF MY ENEMIES ATTACKS MAKE ME WANT TO THROW UP INSTEAD I THROW EM' UP,SWORD IN HAND MASTERS PLAN NO MORE SNAPPIN' NECKS,CASHIN' COUNTERFEIT CHECKS...USE TO FLEX LIVE A LIFE OF REGRETS, SEX DISRESPECT & ONTO THE NEXT...NOW STRAIGHT FROM THE HEBREW TEXT,WHAT???IT'S ALL LOVE & RESPECT!!!STOP FOR A MINUTE TAKE A LOOK AROUND,MUSLIM MILITANTS DEATH IS GAININ' GROUND IT'S A VISCIOUS FIGHT SUICIDE BOMB WRONG NOT RIGHT THAT'S BLACK & WHITE!!!LIVIN' A LIGHT DAY OR DARK NIGHT LET GO LET GOD YOU'RE IN HIS SIGHT,I'LL LEAD YA' NOT TO THE LEFT BUT TO THE RIGHT...ACTUALLY TRIPS ME OUT THIS SPIRITUAL BOUT!!!WHAT IT'S ABOUT LUCIFER GOT THROWN OUT,YOU DOUBT IT, TALK SLANDER ABOUT IT, I'M ASTOUNDED HOW PROFOUNDLY GROUNDED YOU CAN SOUND!!!CATHOLIC CHURCH,AL-QUIDA,IRAN,9/11 LYRICS DELIVERED DIRECTLY SENT FROM HEAVEN CHANGED MY NAME TO ISRAEL IT'S REAL THINK I'M CRAZY???I KNOW HOW YOU FEEL!!!STILL,DO WHAT I'M TOLD GOTTA BE BOLD,SCOLD YA' NOT HERE TO DO THAT JUST HERE TO BUST OUT WITH THE TRUTH ABOUT GOD AND THE ONE WHO STARTED JIHAD!!!SERIOUS BLASPHEMY LEADING INTO SUICIDAL TRAGEDIES... ONLY ONE GOD BUT ONE THAT TRIES HE DESPISES JESUS MAKES YOU CRY & MAKES YOU LIE!!!HE REALLY WANTS YOU TO DIE WITHOUT KNOWIN' YOUR CREATOR THAT WAY THE NUMBER TO HELL GETS INFLATED,X-RATED, THEOLOGICALLY DEBATED OUT...NOT HERE TO DEBATE JUST HERE TO SHOUT THE TRUTH ABOUT WHAT'S ABOUT TO GO DOWN,THIS LIFE HERE ON EARTH MY FRIEND BELIEVE ME THE FINAL TRUMPET FROM THE BIBLE IS GONNA SOUND!!!NOW...DRAMATICALLY THE ACTION PROCEEDS ALL THESE ONES I PRAYED FOR THEY WAS LAUGHIN' @ ME, THEY TOOK THE MARK OF THE BEAST,THE CHIP UNDERNEATH,BELIEVE CONTRARY TO ME YOU ARE DECEIVED!!!I WAS IN AFRICA WHERE DON'T WORRY,PLEASE, THEY WON'T COME ATCHA OR LAUGH ATCHA, 2'S & 3'S THEY'RE CONCERNED WITH SHELTER & EATING***FEEL ME*** & NOT DYING FROM DISEASE!!!
 
Posted by Israel on March 17, 2007 - Saturday - 3:21 PM
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NASSUNNI: NOT... Your Ordinary Poet

 
People in general have different motives when it comes to sharing or selling their words. You have to make it real and keep it real. I kind of agree with Kamilah that the art form of poetry/spokenword has not taken a place in mainstream society. However, what is rap? True rap/ hip hop is poetry set to a different tone. So, without sounding contraditing, spoken word is in mainstream society. From the mind the paper, from paper to the mic. So many of Tupac's words have always been poetry and later set to music. You have to believe and keep striving for what you believe. Selling your soul to make a dollar is not a blessing. Because in the long run, it's whats inside that will shine and succeed.
 
Posted by NASSUNNI: NOT... Your Ordinary Poet on March 31, 2007 - Saturday - 1:09 AM
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For a Poet Inside Is Where The Fight Lay

 
I love the question, I was really goiong back and fourth myself, because as you you see on my page I've done a hip hop track mixed with my poetry. the track was a success and I've gotton really great feed back. the Poetry world can gain more respect with different collaboration, because it exposes many different people to our craft as writters and truth speakers. that s what I consider myself, I consider myself a truth speaker. and I feel that is the last thing poeple want to hear these days, like the exspression, THE TRUTH HURTS, that is a very true statement, also most people aren't aware of things that us as poets talk about. so what I say it';s up to us to make our own definition of what mainstream really is, or start to collaborate more with different genre's to exspose the spoken word talent that we bring to the world, then spoken word shall gain it's respect
 
Posted by For a Poet Inside Is Where The Fight Lay on April 2, 2007 - Monday - 9:00 PM
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JayKnivez(of DA HOOD PRODUCTIONS)

 

I LIKE THIS, I FINALLY GET TO BE HEARD ON THIS TOPIC. PEOPLE THINK THE ONLY WAY TO BE A POET IS TO BE THIS GREAT MOVEMENT PROVOKING WORD WARRIOR. THERE'S NO ONE WAY TO BE A POET, A POET UNDER ANY OTHER NAME IS STILL A POET. I PERSONALLY THINK THE ONLY WAY TO SALE OUT IS TOO NOT BE TRUE TO YOURSELF. IF YOU STAY TRUE TO YOURSELF THEN YOU'RE NOT A SALE OUT.

GOOD QUESTION!!!!!!!


 
Posted by JayKnivez(of DA HOOD PRODUCTIONS) on April 11, 2007 - Wednesday - 8:57 AM
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AG-Poet

 
PEACE!! I have been writting poetry 4 as long as i can remeber, and 4 as long as i have been doing it in clubs this question always seem to be around. If u are doing what u luv and doing it the way u luv it , then how can u be a " SELL OUT" ? Its only when u change to be in the so called mainstream to make money that there is a problem . But if people feel your work and they want to buy it , thats not wrong. Jus because u dont feel someones work dose not mean it has no substance , u jus cant relate. we all can take away somthing different from one poem that is the beauty of poetry. When people tell me " man i am really feeling that poem" , this is success to me. But we need to do more spokenword in different places ,and try to reach poeple in all walks of life and not jus those who come to the poetry cafe. If u can sell a million records then try to sell three . I am  a fan of my own , so if i only sell one i will still do what i luv to do " SPOKENWORD". I wish u all peace!  Positive , Education , Actives , Constant , Elevation!! A. G
 
Posted by AG-Poet on April 12, 2007 - Thursday - 12:20 AM
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Delina Dream

 
It's just my opinion... The ideal of achieving success is purely subjective. If you write for the art of writing, do that. If you want to speak to the masses, grind until you reach them. If you want to somehow make a living by indulging in an art that is rarely qualified in currency, then get your hustle on and make that money. If you prefer writing in the closet while working that 9-5 (cuz you got bills) where you get no satisfaction, no stimulation, and rarely get to utilize your god-given talents, then that too is your prerogative... because "selling out" is also, in my opinion, subjective.
 
Posted by Delina Dream on April 13, 2007 - Friday - 1:43 AM
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Ugly Beauty

 

I've been writing poetry for a long time and at first I never gave thought to sharing anything I wrote. The things I write are very personal and mostly used to comfort me in crisis. I use poetry to express the real me, the inner me and now that I share my words with others I find that I've somehow helped people and I feel good about that. I don't think poetry of television is selling out at all but there is a thin line between sharing art and exploiting it and taking away what is most beautiful about it. I was so glad when I turn the television on that night so long ago and Def Poetry was just coming on. I didn't know anything about it but I've been tuned in every since and I love it.


 
Posted by Ugly Beauty on April 19, 2007 - Thursday - 8:00 PM
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IThinkVeryDeeply

 
<P align=center><STRONG>I'm just a chick </STRONG></P><P align=center><STRONG>that loves music~</STRONG></P><P align=center><STRONG>... and HipHop, </STRONG></P><P align=center><STRONG>I don't think I'll ever stop~</STRONG></P><P align=center><STRONG>loving the love of</STRONG></P><P align=center><STRONG>putting words on a page~</STRONG></P><P align=center><STRONG>contorting them and shaping them</STRONG></P><P align=center><STRONG>into artistic works of rage...</STRONG></P><P align=center><STRONG>sometimes passion or nostalgia~</STRONG></P><P align=center><STRONG>sometimes lighthearted regalia.</STRONG></P><P align=center><STRONG>It is my belief, </STRONG></P><P align=center><STRONG>that this pesimistic society~ </STRONG></P><P align=center><STRONG>constantly~</STRONG></P><P align=center><STRONG> needs something or someone to feed on~ </STRONG></P><P align=center><STRONG>to bleed on~ </STRONG></P><P align=center><STRONG>the viscious cycle of hatred </STRONG></P><P align=center><STRONG>instantly forming upon the lips </STRONG></P><P align=center><STRONG>of nay sayers and in most cases,</STRONG></P><P align=center><STRONG>nay -doers.  </STRONG></P><P align=center><STRONG>The Good Book said that </STRONG></P><P align=center><STRONG>"faith without works is dead..." </STRONG></P><P align=center><STRONG>See, most of the plaguers </STRONG></P><P align=center><STRONG>of everything good~ </STRONG></P><P align=center><STRONG>including that Book, </STRONG></P><P align=center><STRONG>need to take a second look </STRONG></P><P align=center><STRONG>at all that they took~ </STRONG></P><P align=center><STRONG>from those who believe in </STRONG></P><P align=center><STRONG>what is essentially good~  </STRONG></P><P align=center><STRONG>The works of the doers~  </STRONG></P><P align=center><STRONG>become fewer and fewer~ </STRONG></P><P align=center><STRONG>the word is now out~ </STRONG></P><P align=center><STRONG>...and I plan to shout~ </STRONG></P><P align=center><STRONG>even from hilltops~</STRONG></P><P align=center><STRONG>near and far...</STRONG></P><P align=center><STRONG>even from the window of my car~ </STRONG></P><P align=center><STRONG>"the speakers of the word have arrived" </STRONG></P><P align=center><STRONG>and have derived~ </STRONG></P><P align=center><STRONG>from all walks of life~</STRONG></P><P align=center><STRONG>The plan is to expand the kingdom...</STRONG></P><P align=center><STRONG>the plan is to bring dem'</STRONG></P><P align=center><STRONG>people what they want, </STRONG></P><P align=center><STRONG>in every forum, every medium...</STRONG></P><P align=center><STRONG>every font...  </STRONG></P><P align=center><STRONG>The answer is in being united~</STRONG></P><P align=center><STRONG>and in being supportive~</STRONG></P><P align=center><STRONG>never separatists, </STRONG></P><P align=center><STRONG>hateful...or abortive!</STRONG></P><P align=center><STRONG>Positive Things are for Positive People~</STRONG></P><P align=center><STRONG>Bless and Be Blessed</STRONG></P>
 
Posted by IThinkVeryDeeply on April 28, 2007 - Saturday - 6:13 PM
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IThinkVeryDeeply

 
<P class=blogCommentsContent>I'm just a chick that loves music~ ... and HipHop, I don't think I'll ever stop~  loving the love of putting words on a page~  contorting them and shaping them into artistic works of rage...  sometimes passion or nostalgia~  sometimes lighthearted regalia.  It is my belief, that this pesimistic society~   constantly~   needs something or someone to feed on~  to bleed on~   the viscious cycle of hatred instantly forming upon the lips of nay sayers and in most cases, nay -doers.  The Good Book said~   that "faith without works is dead..."   See, most of the plaguers of everything good~   including that Book,  need to take a second look~   at all that they took~   from those who believe in  what is essentially good~  The works of the doers~  become fewer and fewer~   the word is now out~   ...and I plan to shout~   even from hilltops~   near and far...   even from the window of my car~    "the speakers of the word have arrived"    and have derived~    from all walks of life~    The plan is to expand the kingdom...   the plan is to bring dem' people what they want,    in every forum,   every medium... every font...   The answer is in being united~  and in being supportive~    never separatists,    hateful...or abortive!   Positive Things are for Positive People~   Bless and Be Blessed</P>
 
Posted by IThinkVeryDeeply on April 28, 2007 - Saturday - 6:31 PM
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Poetry Over Music

 
size="4"><strong>Stan Lathan</strong>size="4"><strong>Stan Lathan</strong>
 
Posted by Poetry Over Music on May 1, 2007 - Tuesday - 5:44 AM
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Enpho Izumi

 
<P>Poetry reading or Spoken words need dance and fashion.
To deligtht human life ,   we speak and action ,more and more.
Poet has to have both audio & visual.

For example to collaborate with dance.
I think it's basic plan of primitive festival.
Peaple want passion.</P><P> </P>
 
Posted by Enpho Izumi on May 5, 2007 - Saturday - 2:21 AM
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Cappavellie The Renegade Black Cherokee
Kahan Qatazap

 
truth be told sis, when I get up on the stage, praise the most high, I go up there and say the most savage and ferocious things. I enjoy sticking it to America and uncle toms and especially Bush. I have a peom entitled, "A special fuck you to George W. Bush". I read in front of alot of white people and they love it. But when i go to read at a poetry reading sponsored by 97.3(wilmington) they say that I am too controversial. I say, don't sell out ram real poetry down peoples throats wheteher want to hear it or not. fuck being pc, offend some muthafuckas, like i used to do all the time in Atlanta and now i am offending muthafuckas here in wilmington NC.  death to the mainstream and remember, osama bin ladin never called us niggers. Selah.
 
Posted by Cappavellie The Renegade Black Cherokee on May 20, 2007 - Sunday - 7:08 PM
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Purpose Driven Words [MGP]

 
It's time we come out-the-box. If you can conceive it, see it, it can become real. Right now, this conversation is based upon other communities who are defining mainstream. The bottom line, Blacks do not own or control what is considered "mainstream". We would have more control over and defining mainstream when we begin to create vertical paradigms within our communities. To be successful at this we need functional communities. This is where spoken word has the opportunity to make a difference and shape industry(or industries).

I am Jacqueline Taylor-Adams, conceptualist of The Master Griot Project[tm]. Please, check it out at www.mastergriot.com. With united, defined, and focused movement, the possibiities...
 
Posted by Purpose Driven Words [MGP] on May 26, 2007 - Saturday - 2:21 PM
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DJ MIKE SINCERE
Mike Sincere

 
Posted by DJ MIKE SINCERE on May 31, 2007 - Thursday - 12:18 AM
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john SURVIVOR blake

 
So many people are full of shit! It's so easy to be a damn philosopher; when you don't LIVE ON YOUR ART! It's easy to spill some pseudo wisdom when you go to an open mic once a week and punch buttons on some cash register or stir Starbucks the rest of the time. I'm on my gring. That means I LIVE ON MY POETRY. I sell books on the street, I'm working on my CD (and it's taking alot of time, because I do NOT want whitman to sound like Rkelly-looped crap!), and somedays I don't even eat! Would I recite a poem for a car commercial, HELL YEAH! Do you know why? Cause I've done it on a street corner just to eat RAMEN! success is when I can write and recite poetry for a living AND LIVE! Like Saul Williams, Like Taylor Mali, Like Suheir Hammad, and so, so many others!

I remember when Mos Def did a commercial for the Cadillac SUV! Common..."Peace Love and GAP!" ring a bell?

We all have bills! Get off your high horses! starve first, spit philosophy after that...
 
Posted by john SURVIVOR blake on July 8, 2007 - Sunday - 5:52 AM
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D.Manor ( aka Dee_M)

 
I'm so tired of that term "Sellout"!! Look, If you're blessed enough to sell your God-inspired Poetry or Spoken Word Music (See my Definition @ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spoken_Word_Soul), i.e., Make a good living doing something you love to do and reap a huge financial reward while doing so then Good for you! If obscurity is your bag then that's on you...Just be true to what you have to say and stand behind your
word...That "Sellout" philosophy is dangerous. Since when is Success considered "Un-cool"??? Spoken Word needs to be Mainstream so we can have our voices heard Plainly to the world & we as artists should maintain control of the genre so as to protect it from the same Corporate Media that tainted & subverted Hip-Hop
radio, the Images, the way Black folks ( especially our Women) are potrayed in Videos, etc..Time to hear about some cultural awareness
 
Posted by D.Manor ( aka Dee_M) on August 15, 2007 - Wednesday - 2:31 PM
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Sbutta

 
I know I'm late since this blog was a minute or so ago, but my 2 cents is worth your 2 cents and I've been arguing this same topic for a while. Art is Art. Straving artist, Famous artist. It's all the same. If we create what is in our souls to create, then why are we blamed for selling out if others would like to partake of it's beautiful. We create for us, because we need to, because it's in us, because we have something to say. If others in various "industries" would like to commericalize the work by selling it, we as artist should be proud and supportive. Poetry has been poetry since the dawn of time and it's still not in the mainstream, but if it's commericalized (selling out), then more and more people will hear and adopt poetry just like Rap and become fans of individual artist(poets)...just lilke they are of DMX, 50cent, Kanye...etc.. Rap would not have been in the mainstream and adored by billions outside of our community if it wasn't for the industry!! and as an artist, if I got something to say, I want that message shared by was many as possible. Poets don't have an art gallery, or a record label....so how do we get others to see the beauty in our artistry as we paint it!
 
Posted by Sbutta on September 24, 2007 - Monday - 8:00 PM
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dominican mamita

 
if u show ur work be proud that someone or a bunch of people are goin to love ur work to speak out to the n put ur feelings into a poem it isnt hard just feel it in ur heart grab a pen or pencil n as soon as u get a feeling of something good or bad write it down u might think oh that doesnt sound right never ever put urself down cuz the feeling u put into poetry is the true beauty of art poetry that is comin from the heart to the papers n u can show people that are close to u to read but its better for u to read to them cuz that shows more of a pic n feeling like ur feeling n they will understand it more when ur readin than they are readin it some day u never know someone could tell u hey lm a publisher of poetry n if they see ur work n they like it they can ask u if u would mind if they published the poetry so that everyone can see ur artwork of poetry n love it like u do
 
Posted by dominican mamita on December 21, 2007 - Friday - 12:43 AM
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Steve Fox
steve fox

 
I feel you Kamilah! In a city such as Memphis, the poets are found in little pockets and some are hardly noticed. Now when it comes to poetry crossing over into hip hop, I suppose I have my own experience with that. I established myself on the University of Memphis campus as the "the writer, the poet, the intellectual" and dabbled in Hip Hop while doing the poetry. I found out that it's a complete character transistion and I'm limited in my creativity and expression. But I feel the same way about my poetry as I do my hip hop. It's all therapy and its not for the glitz, glamour and gold. It's a mode of touching, healing and teaching. Some get it mixed up and think that it's crossing over. Some don't.

I define mainstream success is being able to reach out and give back. I will eat and be successful by many means (public speaking, publishing, screenwriting, urban planning, etc). I might not sell a million albums but I will sell a million books, touch millions of people and be able to give back millions of dollars. I define my mainstream success by being creative and I feel that is something worth being reckoned with due to the fact that being diverse and being a poet is a hustle and and it's hard, back breaking, finger cramping, emotionally challenging and character building work.

Hip Hop went on vacation for a reason....so the real arts could come back!

See you all soon! Get Ya Gear On! 08 to INFINITY!
 
Posted by Steve Fox on March 13, 2008 - Thursday - 11:54 PM
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Steve Fox
steve fox

 
I feel you Kamilah! In a city such as Memphis, the poets are found in little pockets and some are hardly noticed. Now when it comes to poetry crossing over into hip hop, I suppose I have my own experience with that. I established myself on the University of Memphis campus as the "the writer, the poet, the intellectual" and dabbled in Hip Hop while doing the poetry. I found out that it's a complete character transistion and I'm limited in my creativity and expression. But I feel the same way about my poetry as I do my hip hop. It's all therapy and its not for the glitz, glamour and gold. It's a mode of touching, healing and teaching. Some get it mixed up and think that it's crossing over. Some don't.

I define mainstream success is being able to reach out and give back. I will eat and be successful by many means (public speaking, publishing, screenwriting, urban planning, etc). I might not sell a million albums but I will sell a million books, touch millions of people and be able to give back millions of dollars. I define my mainstream success by being creative and I feel that is something worth being reckoned with due to the fact that being diverse and being a poet is a hustle and and it's hard, back breaking, finger cramping, emotionally challenging and character building work.

Hip Hop went on vacation for a reason....so the real arts could come back!

See you all soon! Get Ya Gear On! 08 to INFINITY!
 
Posted by Steve Fox on March 13, 2008 - Thursday - 11:56 PM
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