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November 9, 2009 - Monday 

Category: News and Politics
The purpose of a language term is to convey information. It is not to prejudge whether that information is true or good. It would be impossible for society to judge whether information were true or good without first constructing the means to convey it.

When you say I cannot use the term that best conveys the information I want to present because that term was used pejoratively by someone, the result of your request would be that society loses a little bit more of its power to communicate and thereby process information communally.

It may be your goal to obfuscate a concept so that society cannot judge it, but that would not be my goal. I will continue to use the terms that best convey the information I want to present.

When I say "Socialism," I am talking the concept of a government forcing its constituents to be sociable via measures employed by less than all of its constituents. (Yes, I understand that "force" already includes the idea of some constituents not consenting, but I want to make sure that everyone grasps the concept of "force" being at odds with "consent.")

When I say "National," I am talking about a group of otherwise independent states that have given up specific areas of their sovereignty to a union of states for the purpose of mutual protection.

These are the two concepts I want to convey. They are best conveyed by the language terms "National" and "Socialism." When I put these two terms together, it is for the purpose of demonstrating the deadly relationship between their associated concepts.

Once again, the terms mean nothing. They are placeholders for concepts. The relationship of the concepts to each other, espoused by both Obama and Hitler, is what becomes deadly.


We have a couple of very important concepts to discuss if we want to act intelligently as a nation going forward. To reduce the discussion of these concepts to the level of semantics enforcement when you cannot provide terms that better convey the concepts is moronic.


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Queen The Ugliest Dog

 

     A word can also be restricted in it's definition from the original.
     "Hitler" and Nazi" are good examples. They are pushed by the left to be regarded as only meaning KKK and racists. Ignoring the full economic and range of other qualities they had/have.

 
Posted by Queen The Ugliest Dog on October 16, 2009 - Friday - 12:06 AM
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Naughty

 
Something else on semantics and language. 

"The systematic propagation of a doctrine or cause or of information reflecting the views and interests of those advocating such a doctrine or cause.

Material disseminated by the advocates or opponents of a doctrine or cause"
A) What is Propaganda for $500. 
B) What are Zephram's blogs for $500
C) What is propaganda AND Zephram's blogs for $1000

If you said C, you are the winner.  lol




 
Posted by Naughty on November 6, 2009 - Friday - 10:19 PM
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Zephram Stark

 
Or, if you pick D) What is the opposite of Stark's überawesome logical analysis of how morons obfuscate issues instead of talking about them, you become an überwinner!!
 
Posted by Zephram Stark on November 7, 2009 - Saturday - 1:43 AM
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Naughty

 
Your argument would make more sense if you can demonstrate why the United States is a DEMOCRACY (which it is NOT) versus a republic. 

As far as I know, we are a REPUBLIC, not a democracy.  Here in these fine UNITED States, we have representatives that represent out interests but are not always BOUND to represent our interests.  The bitch up in here isn't a let's all bind together to obtain what we want from our govt.

It is THIS fine point here that you are missing in your argument that we should not pay taxes or that we should voice our against universal health care.

 
Posted by Naughty on November 7, 2009 - Saturday - 8:51 PM
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Zephram Stark

 
Democracy does not require consent of the governed. It only requires consent of the largest voting block.

A Republic is not a free pass for a politician to create whatever rules he wants for you. If the politician does not get his power over you from your consent, from physical force or from the largest voting block, there's only one other source that people obey: a God.

I don't know what kind of God would be ordering Barack Obama to try to force insurance expense on people for regular doctors visits, but I can assure you that I will never obey such an abomination.


 
Posted by Zephram Stark on November 8, 2009 - Sunday - 10:22 AM
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Naughty

 
I love the existing social construct of what a democracy is.  You did an interesting job yourself in that blog.  But uhm...NO. If you want anything to be done about you not paying taxes than you should make sure the USC states that those we elect are to REPRESENT the wishes of the majority.

Zephram, all jokes aside...do you EVER blog without including propaganda in your tax and now health care blogs?

Propaganda is communication aimed at influencing the attitude of a community toward some cause or position. As opposed to impartially providing information, propaganda in its most basic sense, presents information primarily to influence an audience. Propaganda often presents facts selectively (thus lying by omission) to encourage a particular synthesis, or uses loaded messages to produce an emotional rather than rational response to the information presented. The desired result is a change of the attitude toward the subject in the target audience to further a political agenda.  Your a Wiki freak so this should be good enough for you.

 
Posted by Naughty on November 8, 2009 - Sunday - 9:21 PM
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Zephram Stark

 
Nobody has ever accused me of lying by omission. If that is your accusation, please be direct about it.

As far as an emotional response goes, the concept of National Socialism elicits the emotional response of heightened concern for a very good reason: it has historically led to massive death. One should be very concerned when an enemy of the Constitution of the United States says he is going to force you to adopt a system of National Socialism. I am not exaggerating when I say that National Socialism leads to extremely bad things. One needs only google National Socialism to see examples. It is good that talk about the concept elicits an emotional response. I would be concerned if it did not.
 
Posted by Zephram Stark on November 9, 2009 - Monday - 3:36 AM
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Naughty

 
The fallacy is not the arousal of an emotional response but rather the EMOTIONAL APPEALS used in lieu of sound reasoning. I actually enjoy reading your blogs but when you are talking about paying taxes and health care, it's the same propaganda technique.  It gets old.  But then again, you learned that from the Nazi's you so criticize, no?

 
Posted by Naughty on November 8, 2009 - Sunday - 11:56 PM
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Zephram Stark

 
The point I hoped to make in this thread is that when the reasoning of an argument is so sound it cannot be broken, others will attempt to muddle the concept, question the linking of the concept to the term, fabricate unfounded accusations against the person making the argument and obfuscate the issue in any way possible to turn the discussion away from the sound reasoning. You have illustrated my point perfectly. Thank you.

 
Posted by Zephram Stark on November 9, 2009 - Monday - 3:34 AM
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Queen The Ugliest Dog

 

     Are reality, facts or truth either doctrines or propaganda?

 
Posted by Queen The Ugliest Dog on November 6, 2009 - Friday - 11:32 PM
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pλrïλђ
Pariah Zingiber

 
Argument, Persuasion, or Propaganda? 

http://www.readwritethink.org/lesson_images/lesson829/Argument-Propaganda.pdf

compare & contrast

 
Posted by pλrïλђ on November 11, 2009 - Wednesday - 3:50 AM
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Queen The Ugliest Dog

 

     Excellent chart, Pariah!!!!
     Thanks. I'll keep that for further use.

 
Posted by Queen The Ugliest Dog on November 11, 2009 - Wednesday - 3:39 PM
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Naughty

 
Propaganda is communication aimed at influencing the attitude of a community toward some cause or position. As opposed to impartially providing information, propaganda in its most basic sense, presents information primarily to influence an audience. Propaganda often presents facts selectively (thus lying by omission) to encourage a particular synthesis, or uses loaded messages to produce an emotional rather than rational response to the information presented. The desired result is a change of the attitude toward the subject in the target audience to further a political agenda.  Your a Wiki freak so this should be good enough for you.
 
Posted by Naughty on November 8, 2009 - Sunday - 9:22 PM
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Queen The Ugliest Dog

 

     Thank you for the redundancy and proving Zephram's point, again.

 
Posted by Queen The Ugliest Dog on November 9, 2009 - Monday - 5:19 PM
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Zephram Stark

 
I love it when people say that Nazis have nothing to do with National Socialism.

"Oh really,"
I say. "What do you get when you google 'National Socialism?'"

 
Posted by Zephram Stark on October 16, 2009 - Friday - 12:53 AM
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Queen The Ugliest Dog

 

     How dare you use the facts!?!?!?!!?
     I know what you get, I have Googled and searched for and about it many times.
     I can tell you it doesn't say "What a Right Wing Extremist falsely calls NObama's economic policy".
    
     Thanks for the blog Kudos, BTW.
 
Posted by Queen The Ugliest Dog on October 16, 2009 - Friday - 1:04 AM
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Zephram Stark

 
It seems odd that a term itself, not the concept behind the term, can carry pejorative connotations, but I submit that is exactly what happened to the term "Nazi," and it almost happened to the term "terrorist."

I fought for two years on Wikipedia to get any sort of objective definition to stick to the term "terrorist" before we finally had to lock it down with Webster's definition in place. There were people who honestly wanted to adopt George Bush's definition of "evil doer" for the term.


Evil Doers


 
Posted by Zephram Stark on October 16, 2009 - Friday - 1:03 AM
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Zephram Stark

 
The danger of assigning a pejorative connotation to the word itself is that you no longer need the concept behind the word. For example, George Bush declared a "War on Terrorism," but he didn't assign any objective meaning to the term "terrorism."

George Bush couldn't have meant what Webster said "terrorism" was or "Shock and Awe" would be an act of terrorism and Bush would be the world's biggest terrorist.

For years after Bush defined a terrorist to be an "evil doer," the term became a catchall for any kind of spending or taxation Washington DC wanted to levy, almost as blatantly as DC uses the term "Global Warming" as an excuse for everything from global taxation to a suspension of civil liberties today. It doesn't seem to bother these diplomats in their push to give up United States sovereignty to unelected officials that the world isn't actually getting warmer.
 
Posted by Zephram Stark on October 16, 2009 - Friday - 2:00 AM
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Nappy Headed Ho

 
Do you believe in Global Warming?

 
Posted by Nappy Headed Ho on October 17, 2009 - Saturday - 7:01 PM
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Zephram Stark

 
Let me translate that for you Nappy: Leeza said, "yes."

 
Posted by Zephram Stark on October 18, 2009 - Sunday - 12:54 AM
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Zephram Stark

 
You clearly indicated your stance on the issue. I know from personal experience that Nappy takes people at their word unless she has a reason to think otherwise. In your case, she does not, so your stance would be your belief as far as she is concerned, which would affirm her question.

In other words, you have what you called a "stance" for the issue of Global Warming, and Nappy would have no reason to think that your stance is different than your belief because she has no reason to distrust you. Therefore, your claim of a stance could accurately be translated into a claim of a belief from her frame of reference.

As you indicated, in your mind, a stance may be different than a belief, but I was not translating for your mind; I was translating for Nappy's mind.

 
Posted by Zephram Stark on October 18, 2009 - Sunday - 4:14 AM
Zephram Stark

 
HG Wells "After the turn of the millennium, books will be electronic and everybody will be an author. Each person will have his own dictionary with blocks of definitions static or dynamically bound to the official stance of his church. When a word an author uses differs in definition from that of the reader, its text appears in red and a definition for it can be retrieved and adopted permanently or for that publication. Words and quotes that appear in orange are accepted as truth by fewer people than those with a redder hue. Text in bright yellow signifies a complete fabrication by the author."


 
Posted by Zephram Stark on October 16, 2009 - Friday - 1:26 AM
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Nappy Headed Ho

 
The joke is
the quote says
quotes in yellow are complete fabrications
and the quote is in yellow

Oh wait
you were defending global warming
never mind

 
Posted by Nappy Headed Ho on October 17, 2009 - Saturday - 7:07 PM
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Zephram Stark

 
It is good to read data and take it from there. A good place to take data readings is where they become relevant. Evidence becomes relevant in the creation of hypotheses and testing with falsifiability. Remember that assertions of truth without falsifiability are merely religious in nature. A test means nothing if it has no possible failure state.



 
Posted by Zephram Stark on October 18, 2009 - Sunday - 1:12 AM
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Zephram Stark

 
Thank you. I try very hard to simplify complex existing interconnections into algorithms we can discuss and build upon without losing any of their power, in a way similar to building neural constructs for a data mining android's interactions with humans. I appreciate it that someone as popular as you took the time to notice and declare my efforts successful twice in the same thread.

 
Posted by Zephram Stark on October 18, 2009 - Sunday - 4:27 AM
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Nappy Headed Ho

 
I appreciate your android speak too Z



 
Posted by Nappy Headed Ho on October 18, 2009 - Sunday - 4:36 AM
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Queen The Ugliest Dog

 

     What an intriguing concept!!!

 
Posted by Queen The Ugliest Dog on October 16, 2009 - Friday - 2:41 AM
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Nappy Headed Ho

 
That fabricated HG was a brainiac


 
Posted by Nappy Headed Ho on October 16, 2009 - Friday - 3:14 AM
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Modern Primate
Modern Primate

 
All obfuscation disappears when you talk about what you're talking about, instead of trying to associate it with something else.  "Nationalized health care is bad because Hitler tried it" is an emotional statement that conveys no information other than that you don't like it.  Any argument, description, or sales pitch that invokes Hitler or anything related to him always serves the exact opposite of its intended purpose.

Why not just say "I don't want to be forced to use a health care system I don't consent to, because I feel it will be more expensive, and less effective"?

 
Posted by Modern Primate on October 16, 2009 - Friday - 3:29 AM
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Zephram Stark

 
Do not put something in quotes and attribute it to me unless I actually said it.

The whole point of this blog entry is that I am not saying "Nationalized health care is bad because Hitler tried it." It is the concept of "National" in relationship to the concept of "Socialism" that is deadly. Hitler's failure is just one example of how deadly it can be. History is littered with people trying to force others to be sociable against their will. In every case, they fail. When the inevitable miscarriage of Socialism is multiplied by a national scale, the failure becomes epic.





 
Posted by Zephram Stark on October 16, 2009 - Friday - 4:35 AM
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Modern Primate
Modern Primate

 
I apologize for the quotes.

My first question is why do you need a gun in your face to behave socially?  Why are you so sure that your Antisocialist policies aren't, in fact, much worse?

If it's a fact that some particular policy doesn't work (which is actually not true, if you look at every civilized country on earth), that fact should stand on its own.  No Hitlerization should be necessary.  It's a cheap tactic, and I honestly don't think anyone is buying it that isn't already convinced.

 
Posted by Modern Primate on October 16, 2009 - Friday - 6:02 PM
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Nappy Headed Ho

 
I was on the fence
until I saw the shipment of fail
That convinced me
It reminded me of a horse video

National Socialism is evil
even if there was no Hitler

Hitler didn't make it evil
It was already evil

It's like how a horse would run
if reflex actions had to go through its brain



 
Posted by Nappy Headed Ho on October 16, 2009 - Friday - 10:41 PM
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Queen The Ugliest Dog

 

     I love that analogy!!!
     Thanks, NHH.
    
     National Socialism fails because it processes everything through the "brain" (*cough*) of social engineering regulations, policies, and laws.

 
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Zephram Stark

 


 
Posted by Zephram Stark on November 10, 2009 - Tuesday - 6:24 AM
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Queen The Ugliest Dog

 

     Yes!!!
     I heard this when it came out, but never watched the video.
     I laughed hard then, too!!!
     They did a wonderful job on their parody of the original ad.

 
Posted by Queen The Ugliest Dog on November 11, 2009 - Wednesday - 12:01 AM
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becky
becky foster

 
BECAUSE ITS NOT THAT EASY .THE GOVERMENT WANTS CONTROLL JUST LIKE HITLER DID . A NEW WORLD ORDER DOESNT ANYONE GET IT ITS ALL ABOUT GREED AND CONTROLL .MANY PEOPLE HAVE SOLD THERE SOULS TO THE DEVIL AND MANY DEMONS ARE WORKING FOR HIM LOOK AROUND YOU AND WHAT IS HAPPENING RIGHT NOW AS WE SPEAK OUR NATION IS IN GRAVE DANGER WITH DANGERUOS PEOPLE  IN POWER .WAKE UP
 
Posted by becky on October 16, 2009 - Friday - 3:45 AM
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Stratus Blue

 
Law Enforcement: government forcing its constituents to be sociable via measures employed by less than all of its constituents.

Socialism: Activities which support the desires of a society undertaken for that society, by consent and participation of all of that society when practical.

Communism:
Economic equality enforced for a society whereby all is shared and nothing is privately controlled

Nationalism: The actions required to attain recognition as an independent  sovereign nation among all other sovereign nations or that established condition itself.

 
Posted by Stratus Blue on October 16, 2009 - Friday - 7:11 AM
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Zephram Stark

 
It's that "when practical" part that turns your definition into mine. It can mean anything an oligarchy wants it to mean, and inevitably does.

 
Posted by Zephram Stark on October 16, 2009 - Friday - 1:46 PM
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Queen The Ugliest Dog

 

     As does "government forcing its constituents to be sociable".
     i.e. The government definition of  "sociable".

 
Posted by Queen The Ugliest Dog on November 6, 2009 - Friday - 11:50 PM
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Derek McConaughey
Derek McConaughey

 
"When practical" is like saying, "...and for other purposes" at the end of a bill. "...and for other purposes" turned the Patriot Act from a weapon to fight terrorism into a weapon of legalized police abuse.

Let's finish Stratus Blue's definitions.

LAW ENFORCEMENT: government forcing its constituents to be sociable via measures employed by less than all of its constituents.

SOCIALISM: Activities which support the desires of a society undertaken for that society, by consent and participation of all of that society when practical. When not practical, a fascist oligarchy will force its will on the people through Law Enforcement (see above).

 
Posted by Derek McConaughey on October 16, 2009 - Friday - 3:48 PM
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Stratus Blue

 
Terms are always worth refining.

 
Posted by Stratus Blue on October 16, 2009 - Friday - 7:15 AM
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Derek McConaughey
Derek McConaughey

 
Redefining terms is a good plan. If we define socialism to mean Jew hater then when we read a history book and see that Hitler was a socialist, we'll simply think of him as a Jew hater.

 
Posted by Derek McConaughey on October 16, 2009 - Friday - 3:30 PM
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Stratus Blue

 
Hitler's favorite music was composed by Wagner. That did not effect the music. Hitler was paid to infiltrate a political party and make it fascist. If he had infiltrated the Catholic Democratic party it would not leave a stigma on Catholic Democrat as a paired duo of words.

 
Posted by Stratus Blue on October 16, 2009 - Friday - 7:20 AM
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Zephram Stark

 
"Hitler was paid to infiltrate a political party and make it fascist."

He succeeded because the people of Germany were stupid enough to turn their constitutionally defined nation into the very thing the nation was designed to protect them from: a Socialist church state. Socialism on a national level is inherently fascist because it becomes almost impossible to escape. No other nation is likely to accept the refugees trying to escape from a National Socialist state, except maybe the children.

 
Posted by Zephram Stark on October 16, 2009 - Friday - 2:03 PM
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Ava

 
I didn't know that guy from the Village People was a Semantics cop.

 
Posted by Ava on October 16, 2009 - Friday - 11:42 AM
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Derek McConaughey
Derek McConaughey

 
Ray, the cop from the Village People,  is black.



When he was younger, Ray liked women, but he developed an anal fixation that led to his change in sexual preference. Ray says he's lived a wonderful life and has never regretted the day he first started pretending that he couldn't understand what other people are talking about when they say Socialism.

 
Posted by Derek McConaughey on October 16, 2009 - Friday - 3:05 PM
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Nappy Headed Ho

 
You can tell top from bottom
by their bended knees when they swivel

 
Posted by Nappy Headed Ho on October 17, 2009 - Saturday - 6:38 PM
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Aaron

 
Nice post and well timed.  Socialism can mean a lot of things to different people, but when I look at Obama's policies, I see socialism at work.  Does it fit with every sigle jot and tittle of the dictionary definition?  No, but the overarching concepts at work are the same and just as foolish and dangerous.  Oh, I meant to ask; with Halloween on the way this occurred to me.  That "Semantics Cop" isn't you from last Halloween, is it?
 
Posted by Aaron on October 16, 2009 - Friday - 2:02 PM
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Zephram Stark

 
Last year, I went as an Astroglide Salesman.


"Trick or Treat!"


 
Posted by Zephram Stark on October 16, 2009 - Friday - 8:13 PM
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Modern Primate
Modern Primate

 
The angle of this shot makes me wonder if it was taken in prison by your "wife".

 
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