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November 21, 2009 - Saturday 

Category: News and Politics
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Because MySQL is open source, Oracle cannot cease development without effectively handing the project's reigns to someone else, but Oracle can easily turn MySQL's development arc so it never intersects that of its flagship product. If the EU recognizes the Oracle-MySQL merger, the database industry leader could not only quash the potential of MySQL's open source version, but it could create a no-cost commercial version with a feature gap sufficient to kill development of earlier forks.





Everyone I know who is watching the EU vs. Oracle battle over the future of MySQL wants to know the answer to one question: Can Oracle Kill MySQL?

Right now, this is the single most relevant question the human race can ask about its future. We will either have a hierarchical global economy or a neural global economy depending on whether we, the people, can create something neural before the elites create something hierarchical. Those of you who are fighting for no global economy are unwittingly helping the elites.

An economic system requires communication, distribution and accounting. An entity that can keep you from achieving one of those three requirements has control over your economy.
Communication: Three weeks ago, the FCC declared itself to be an enemy of the United States by voting to grant itself the right to control communication on the most popular brand of global network. The Internet brand consists of an insignificant "backbone" (less than 1% of global connectivity) controlled by Washington DC and a wide array of private networks that agree to use the protocols of Washington DC's "backbone." Some of those networks also use different protocols. Washington DC hates it when a private network uses a different protocol because it makes it hard to spy on the users of that network. The FCC is illegally claiming authority to revoke communication licenses unless private networks exclusively use protocols approved by Washington DC. AT&T, Verizon, Comcast and Charter telecoms are willing to comply with the FCC's illegal coercion. They have taken over the "last mile" of wire running from the homes of most citizens of the States to the web of private networks. In order to restore uninhibited communication, we are going to have to connect directly with each other. We can no longer rely on the big telecoms to connect the "last mile" of wire to our homes because they can be coerced through Washington DC's licensing scam.
Distribution: Under the guise of controlling unregistered immigrants, the Fed has placed hundreds of customs checkpoints in an area one hundred miles wide around the perimeter of the United States. You can google hundreds of stories and videos demonstrating that the Fed's "border patrol" is much more interested in trying to control the "black market" (trade without Fed Notes) than unregistered immigrants or drugs. In order to restore uninhibited distribution, we're simply going to have to look beyond the fancy uniform of the Fed's "border patrol" to see them for the criminals they are. They have no legal authority whatsoever. If they attack you, they are committing a criminal act and you may legally defend yourself by whatever means you deem necessary.
Accounting: Beyond uninhibited distribution and communication, a global neural economy also requires an uninhibited scalable method of detailed and automated accounting. By 2005, our good friends in Sweden had provided us with a robust open source relational database foundation for such accounting: MySQL. Unlike most open source projects, however, the Swedes did not fully give MySQL to the world. They retained ownership of the software under a license that let them do whatever they wanted with it while granting a second license to the open source community. In other words, all derivatives of the free copy of the software must remain open, but the Swedes could make independent derivatives of the copy they kept that they could close if they so desired. When you take brand name recognition into consideration and the fact that MySQL relied on third party storage software (that Oracle started buying up in 2005), it became feasible that the owner of MySQL could effectively kill the product or make an advanced, stagnant commercial fork more attractive.

The potential for disaster enabled by MySQL's joint licensing was disconcerting to some developers who gave their time freely to promote the project's evolution, but these coders felt confident the Swedes would never sell out to what they called "the evil Oracle," MySQL's only viable competitor after it had surpassed Microsoft and IBM in both its growth curve and number of installations. Instead, the Swedes sold MySQL to Sun Microsystems, a behemoth legacy computing company in its death throes that had nothing to gain by purchasing an open source relational database company except to make itself more attractive for purchasing.

Sure enough, Oracle immediately found Sun Microsystems to be very attractive and offered to buy the realistically worthless behemoth for billions of dollars. Yet, Oracle now promises that it is not shelling out all this dough for the sole purpose of killing MySQL. Its founder, Larry Ellison may have been the richest man in the world before MySQL cut into his massive relational database monopoly from the bottom, but Ellison assures us that his intent is not to kill the world's only viable hope for future Oracle competition. Let's see if Oracle's stock holders believe him.

Oracle and Sun officially announced their pending marriage on April 20, 2009, but they had been discussing the idea, making agreements and finalizing details for some time before that. Looking at the stock price of both companies, it is pretty easy to see when the inside traders got the word.


Sun and Oracle were in a general downward spiral until March 10, 2009, but on that exact date, both companies simultaneously experienced a profound reversal of fortune. Investors suddenly found both Sun and Oracle to be very alluring. Yet nothing Sun had to offer Oracle would increase the attractiveness of its database. When investors suddenly moved to revalue the companies 57.4% and 125.78% higher, did they smell monopoly?


It's nice to think a corporation would be so humanitarian that it would try to replace its hundred billion dollar flagship database with a free one, but realistically, corporations have to do what is best for the bottom line, or their investors would leave or sue them. Ellison himself owns less than a quarter of the company he founded. While he has more power than any one person at his corporation, he does not have the ability to override the monetary good of the shareholders. As long as Oracle owns MySQL, if investors can make more money by letting it whither on the vine, that's what Ellison has to do. Even if he so desired, Ellison could not do the right thing through his company. He would have to purchase MySQL with his own money and change the dual licensing into an exclusive general public license.

Proponents of the merger note that MySQL is not in a position to unseat Oracle's high end database monopoly because no other software has the capabilities of the Oracle database. Yet MySQL's current technological position is insignificant compared to where it is going and how long it would take to get there. On its current growth curve, an uninhibited MySQL would unseat Oracle in less than ten years. I am sure that Ellison is smart enough to realize this.

While I believe that humans should have a method of holding corporations accountable to individual measures, the mechanism for doing so has been subverted in the United States and in most of Europe. Being forced to complain to the EU is a horrible method of accounting. Yet, without the three legs of a scalable neural economic system, it is the only method currently available.

If Oracle's acquisition of MySQL is recognized by the EU, Ellison could effectively kill open source database technology in three different ways:
1: Because of the dual licensing of MySQL, Ellison could create a commercial fork far enough ahead of the open source fork to prevent it or any other attempt at a high end open source database from evolving. For example: if Oracle gave a freely distributed, but commercial (not open source) version of MySQL one of its high end toys, everyone who uses MySQL would prefer the commercial version. Without users, the open source version would no longer be developed. Without competition, the commercial version would also cease to evolve.
2: MySQL uses a variety of storage engines. Oracle has been buying them up since 2005. With the acquisition of Sun, Oracle would own even the Falcon engine that is being developed to free MySQL of its reliance on third party storage software. Ellison could effectively kill MySQL by commercializing the storage engines MySQL needs. Once again, the dual licensing of these engines enables the owner of the software to endow a commercial fork with enough improvement that the open source version cannot compete. If Oracle did not own the software, it could not license a commercial fork to kill the open source version. Granted, even without buying any engines, Oracle could create a MySQL compatible storage plug-in from scratch for the express purpose of killing MySQL, but that route would be considerably more difficult and the antitrust issues would be more obvious.
3: Sometimes there is only one right way to improve software. If another vendor has already improved a commercial fork along the right path, he can claim ownership of the only right path of improvement. Civil courts tend to frown on claims to own the only logical growth path, but proving there is only one path can be a legal nightmare. Whenever legal nightmares can be produced, the court can be used as a weapon. Oracle's team of legal experts could effectively kill forks of MySQL or its engines by tying their development up in civil court with claims of copyright infringement. Because Oracle and MySQL have taken fundamentally different development paths, claims of infringement between the two would be frivolous, but if Oracle owned a commercial fork of MySQL, the similarities between it and the open source fork would be close enough to make a case.

It would be best for Ellison's company and for his personal fortunes to control and suppress future development of MySQL. Yet, sometimes when a man holds the fate of the world in his hands, he can transcend his personal bias and even the bias of his small group of friends to do what is right for all mankind.


If your name is Larry Ellison, I want to congratulate you on owning the most awesome private boat I've seen. Using boats as a standard, you have certainly proven your worth, but I hereby challenge you to meet an even higher standard, one that Bill Gates has spectacularly failed to achieve despite his best efforts: that of giving something to the world that it desperately needs without having to control it. I would recognize you as the greatest human being in my lifetime if you would take a small percentage of your billions, purchase MySQL from your company, and give it to the human race.

Throughout history, only a few men can say they made a contribution that kept evolving and enriching humanity forever. You can be such a man.

Just Me For Life

 
Wow! I'm almost speechless. Very well played my friend, remind me to never get on your bad side . 

 
Posted by Just Me For Life on November 16, 2009 - Monday - 3:07 AM
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john
John McGuire

 

Intriguing, informative post.  Good luck with seeing Ellison give away MySQL ... by all appearances, the whole point in his purchase was to squash it.


 
Posted by john on November 16, 2009 - Monday - 4:09 AM
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inmate

 
Of course you expected a little difference of opinions here...

I don't think that this is the end of the world for MySQL. To begin with, free software does not refer to the monetary value of the product, but to the fact that the product is delivered with the source code and anyone can modify it.

MSQL was free of charge as long as it was not used on commercial applications. MySQL has never been a true Linux as far as the money was involved. The developers used a lot of free source help, however they never released the rights the same way Linus released the rights...

I don't think that Oracle was targeting the same market segment either. Oracle's products are not just data bases like MySQL, but stand alone applications... MySQL is a data base, which can be turned into any application.

Actually, long ago, before people talked about MySQL, Macola a software publisher of accounting applications used to sell the source code with the finished application. Everyone could change it. And there were a lot of people who bought the source code and they changed a lot. The trouble was that the company itself kept developing, and every time a new release came out, people who did modifications on their own, had to keep modifying the new releases to the point that it became impractical to do it in the fist place.

Sun bought the suite Open Office from a German company from Hamburg a few years ago, and gave a name recognition to a superb product, which is still available for free from a Sun spin off. They started offering the product for free and no one wanted to buy it because courtesy to Microsoft we thought that free software was not worth the money. What saved Open Office was the spin off and the belief that the new product was not Sun's any longer...

It is a long way for MySQL to a final product as Oracle, and I don't think that it will ever make it with somebody like Oracle to channel the efforts. Actually Oracle itself is an open source product, because it can be customized by the end owner, however the main infrastructure has been built by the company in an organized effort.

While an operating system can be offered as open source, because the functions are very well defined and they don't need striking changes, after all, one needs a new operating system only if a new processor design hits the market, which is not very often, in a particular application life is not as linear...

I would not be at least surprised to see in the near future a MySQL.org which will function as Open Office does. People are not smart enough to use it as they should, but Open Office is as complete and efficient, if not better than Microsoft Office. And it is for free when it comes down to cost. And the releases are not bug fixes either, they are incremental releases...

I guess that the future will tell...

 
Posted by inmate on November 16, 2009 - Monday - 4:33 AM
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qUiXoTiCaT / Freedom CZAR!!!

 
Nice!
 
Posted by qUiXoTiCaT / Freedom CZAR!!! on November 16, 2009 - Monday - 7:32 AM
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Modern Primate
Modern Primate

 
Let's hope he reads your blogs.

 
Posted by Modern Primate on November 16, 2009 - Monday - 9:30 AM
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Zephram Stark

 
Most celebrities google their name from time to time. Digg this thread and maybe he will.

 
Posted by Zephram Stark on November 16, 2009 - Monday - 2:12 PM
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Ava

 
Send him a copy of your blog.
 
Posted by Ava on November 16, 2009 - Monday - 4:41 PM
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Zephram Stark

 
The only way I would want Larry to see this is if so many other people had seen it first that he wouldn't dare use the civil courts as a weapon. I'm not saying that he would, but I like all my based covered.

 
Posted by Zephram Stark on November 16, 2009 - Monday - 5:41 PM
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Derek McConaughey
Derek McConaughey

 
Oracle doesn't need to do anything to kill MySQL. The crisis of confidence alone would kill it. I'm not going to use MySQL while a competitor owns its future. Every conflict of interest between the two databases will be resolved by eliminating that potential aspect of MySQL.

 
Posted by Derek McConaughey on November 17, 2009 - Tuesday - 8:35 PM
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J

 
Z, I don't totally agree with you in regard to the importance of mysql. I have limited exposure to it, only because it's not Oracle. ;)

Honestly though I've written to many sql back ends over the years, and if mysql goes away there are other open source sql engines. Firebird is pretty damn good, and I know it defeats the purpose of NOT Oracle, but Oracle has a free version of their database that is frankly excellent.

If mysql goes away, another open source will take it's place. It is the way of the software world.

 
Posted by J on November 20, 2009 - Friday - 4:10 AM
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Zephram Stark

 
I don't see Firebird overtaking Oracle or even significantly competing. No part of its projected development range ever intersects.


MySQL, on the other hand, continues to erode the client base of Oracle from the bottom unless Oracle subtly changes its growth curve.

 
Posted by Zephram Stark on November 21, 2009 - Saturday - 6:30 AM
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john c
John Chapman

 
Even if mysql did not experience another single bit of development, there are options.
Postgresql, Firebird, sqlite, etc, come quickly to mind.

Isn't there a version that can be forked, even if it is back a bit? I thought Widenius was working on a project to do this. searching.....   searching....
Ah, here is it. The Open Database Alliance, http://odba.org/

Would it be nice for Oracle to release mysql? Yes, but foolish. And not likely.

here is a quote: "The largest and the most common rival was Oracle. In every deal we were competing against Oracle," Michael "Monty" Widenius, the founder of MySQL, told Reuters in an interview.
from: http://www.reuters.com/article/companyNews/idUKL229684520091102

 
Posted by john c on November 22, 2009 - Sunday - 4:11 AM
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Zephram Stark

 
MySQL is the only database evolving faster than Oracle. Even Monty's fork, MariaDB, is not keeping pace. Oracle has one competitor and it is about to kill it. Oracle could legally be sued by its stockholders if it developed a free database to surpass its commercial one. There is zero chance of that happening. Taking over MySQL requires Oracle to quash the current development arc of its otherwise uninhibited database.

Wikipedia and hundreds of other projects that openly benefit all of the human race would not have been possible without MySQL. They are a drop in the bucket compared to what we are capable of accomplishing with an uninhibited database.

The EU or Larry Ellison have the power to enable the construction of a neural economy by keeping Oracle from killing MySQL. Yet both the EU and Ellison derive their power from a hierarchical economic structure. Why would either party want to enable a neural future?

They would do it for the same reason I am fighting for a neural future: because they have children. Whatever economic system we have when we finish becoming a global village is the one we will keep. If we put into place a hierarchical organization, the path of the human race will be complete: our pattern will become independently predictable (the measurement we use to classify an individual as being brain dead).

Conversely, with a neural economy, our children will inherit a world where eternal progress is possible. On a planetary scale, it is the difference between a stillborn and a live birth.


 
Posted by Zephram Stark on November 22, 2009 - Sunday - 7:14 AM
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john c
John Chapman

 
To say projects were not possible without Mysql is not one that I can agree with.
Mysql has been somewhat ubiquitous, but that does not mean there were not, are not, and will not be alternatives.
If all the devel time spent on mysql had been spent on postgres, then IT would be the database of choice.
Just like there wasn't linux, and there wasn't OS/2, and there wasn't MacOS based on BSD, etc, etc.
Things get created. Existing projects will be able to continue to use the current software, it won't be taken away.
And if mysql is no longer an option, something else will arise- and it could be even better.
There are so many, many options out there- and mysql is just one of many.

 
Posted by john c on November 22, 2009 - Sunday - 3:40 PM
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Zephram Stark

 
It is inaccurate to summarize what I said as "projects were not possible without Mysql."

Crappy projects are definitely possible. Commercial projects are definitely possible, but some of us are trying to move in a direction that is neither crappy nor commercial. How are we supposed to create projects that are not crappy or commercial when Oracle keeps killing the database and storage engine foundations needed for good and free projects as soon as they show any promise of no longer being crappy?
 
Posted by Zephram Stark on November 23, 2009 - Monday - 9:06 PM
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Hugh

 
Oh, great!  I didn't know MySQL was in danger.  Of course Oracle will squash it.  Ellison is a slave to the money and knows no other way of being.  MySQL is doomed.
 
Posted by Hugh on November 23, 2009 - Monday - 1:20 AM
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Zephram Stark

 
Ellison has repeatedly demonstrated that he cares more about beating Bill Gates than making another twenty billion Fed Notes. Because of his company's buyout, he doesn't need to spend anywhere near as much as Gates to do so. For around a billion dollars, he could personally acquire full ownership of MySQL, release all control of it to the GNU Public License and make himself the definitive winner of the philanthropy war for generations to come.

It is my goal, and the goal of most people I know, to literally achieve 'peace on Earth and goodwill toward men' in our lifetimes. We want to leave that gift to our children and we believe we now have the technology to make it happen. If I realize the primary goal of my life, and we succeed in producing a consensus omnium neural economy built on a MySQL foundation, Ellison would become the grandfather of the world's first stable, scalable utopian society, something that can only be built where uninhibited communication, distribution and relational database technology exist. He could honestly write on his tombstone that he was vital in producing the peer accounting engine that spawned peace and good will amongst humans on a planetary scale.


 
Posted by Zephram Stark on November 23, 2009 - Monday - 2:19 AM
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Laura

 


 
Posted by Laura on November 23, 2009 - Monday - 6:41 PM
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Derek McConaughey
Derek McConaughey

 
What you say?!!

 
Posted by Derek McConaughey on November 27, 2009 - Friday - 8:13 AM
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Derek McConaughey
Derek McConaughey

 
Zero Wing was such a great game.



 
Posted by Derek McConaughey on November 27, 2009 - Friday - 8:43 AM
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Zephram Stark



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