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Monday, August 03, 2009 

Current mood:w3lsh
I see my erstwhile sparring partner Billy Bragg has been lambasting poor old Dawko in the august pages of that learned philosophical journal Q - the organ of the British music industry.  He says that, "as a scientist Richard Dawkins refuses to believe in anything he cannot observe and measure", "and yet to Dawkins people who believe that an intangible reality really exists alongside spiritual reality are 'stupid'".
 


Melvin's younger brother

It's all bollocks you know Billy. Scientists are quite capable of believing there are things that they do not know, and even that there are things that are unknowable. The only thing they have trouble believing is in things that contradict the balance of the evidence.


I've seen footage of some of Dawko's early gigs and he started off being all sensitive and turning the other cheek, pleading with people just to look at the facts, but the poor bugger got nowhere with it. So he's started calling a spade a fucking spade, just like the God-botherers, and suddenly the liberal-minded are up in arms against him.

I've just searched through my pirated e-book copy of "The God Delusion" and nowhere does he describe people who believe in god as "stupid". He describe one argument against abortion - the "Beethoven fallacy" - as stupid, but that's because it self-evidently is. Like using the birth of Hitler as an argument FOR abortion.

No - the God Delusion doesn't call god-believers stupid. The main idea that Dawkins was dimly groping towards is that religion is hard-wired into the human brain. That we have a predisposition to believe in god/s, just as we have a predisposition to see optical illusions. Our unconscious filters and processes what we experience, and feeds the classified results to our consciousness in a simplified form - a form that we can act on quickly without having to deal with a lot of irrelevant data. There are certain experiences that are best shunted into the "god box" and left up to the shamans to deal with.
 

as CJ Michiels gaily (or should that be grayly?) points out, squares A and B are exactly the same shade.  

It takes a conscious effort to break out of those hardwired coping mechanisms. It doesn't mean you are stupid if you haven't realised that they are there. I would however submit, your honour, even if Dawko won't, that it would be stupid not to believe that these unconscious religiosity algorithms couldn't possibly exist.  

So, the main thing getting up the capacious Braggian neb is not that Dawkins logic is flawed, nor that he has become a hard-assed son of an illusion-destroying  bitch, but his assumption that Dawko is calling his favourite prison chaplains stupid, which these guys don't deserve because they're doing some great pastoral work in rehabilitating the poor buggers who may have strayed from the path of social righteousness (there but for the grace of ineffable sensory input go I).
 

Aye, well, grow up Billy. You don't have to be religious to be good. Why should anyone have to take on a load of religious baggage just to get a bit of succour? Sure these chaplains aren't thrusting their succour down your throat, but don't think the pressure isn't there.  

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By Sir John Betjeman
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Doctor Handsome
Joey Joe-joe Junior Shabadoo

 
You don't have to be religious to be good?  Why not?  A guy like me considers an atheist who behaves ethically to be the textbook definition of a chump.  But I'm possibly in the minority on that (smart people usually are).
 
Posted by Doctor Handsome on Monday, August 03, 2009 - 1:56 PM
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Casey

 
I believe what the BFG meant to write was, "You don't have to be religious to be good at Pictionary"... which actually makes sense....

Thank God, I don't have to deal with any of this bullshit. I'm good at everything....
 
Posted by Casey on Monday, August 03, 2009 - 3:54 PM
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AngelPrincess Jenny Snugglelot
Baby Infant

 
Ahh, that gray pic again.  '

Truth springs from arguments among friends (inaccurately quoted/paraphrased)

David Hume

Commence the puking!  But, I thought the quote suited the occasion.

Well, I just don't know.  I can't say I believe.  But, I know I don't know.





 
Posted by AngelPrincess Jenny Snugglelot on Tuesday, August 04, 2009 - 8:02 AM
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AngelPrincess Jenny Snugglelot
Baby Infant

 
I told CJ I saw green squares. 

I think so....don't you?

 
Posted by AngelPrincess Jenny Snugglelot on Tuesday, August 04, 2009 - 8:07 AM
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Nurse Fiona
All things Nursey

 
'Beethoven Fallacy'
Lulz.
 
Posted by Nurse Fiona on Tuesday, August 04, 2009 - 1:45 PM
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Writing next chapter

 
Religion probably started with those caveman blogger rumors about the Sun, Moon, and Stars.  I mean, WTF is going on up there anyway?

Some caveman who survived many head clubbings started telling stories about seeing stars in his frequent visits to the near afterlife -- and other cavefolk whose DNA had survived through evolution long enough to have the gene for "how to cover ones bets", decided that maybe following this storyteller would extend their longevity.   At least the guy with the big mouth would likely take the first thrown rock.

The rest, as they say, is recorded history.
 
Posted by Writing next chapter on Wednesday, August 05, 2009 - 4:10 PM
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The Toast in the Machine

 
Pascal's wager covers all the bases...

 
Posted by The Toast in the Machine on Friday, August 07, 2009 - 2:24 AM
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Alicia Billings

 
I really don't care or judge people by their beliefs... unless they love Hitler, sacrifice babies or eat dogs. I have to draw the line somewhere.


 
Posted by Alicia Billings on Friday, August 07, 2009 - 5:09 AM
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Premier Vladimir Ulanov Shitchisel III
Vlad Shitchisel

 
69

 
Posted by Premier Vladimir Ulanov Shitchisel III on Thursday, August 13, 2009 - 2:55 AM
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just a handful

 
i loved that Ben Stein movie... Expelled... and Ben has that way about him. he kills me too

 
Posted by just a handful on Tuesday, October 13, 2009 - 4:35 PM
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